For the average JW publisher, bearing 'thorough witness' means asking people if they would like to read the magazines or a tract.
People generally do not have a clue what the JWs believe, except that they dont celebrate birthdays and Christmas and dont take blood. No one knows about the Kingdom.
I have spoken to many people about why I was JW for such a long time and why I left. In EVERY instance, I have had to explain the basic beliefs of the JWs to them, because not one of them knew.
Sorry, but people are completely unaware that by rejecting the offer of the WT and AW on their doorstep, they are putting themselves in line for eternal destruction.
Steve, if you believe what you just wrote, then why did you leave? I was a JW for over 30 yrs. I do not share your sentiment. Therefore, I do not feel like I am in line for destruction for my leaving the organization. Why do you think a Watchtower or Awake can save you from destruction? It cannot. Even if you are an active JW you can be condemned to destruction if you aren't doing all you can. So, whats enough? How much does it take to survive armageddon? There's never enough. It's a merry-go-round. It's the Wizard of Oz behind the big curtain, tricking people, fooling them. But we all know what happened to him! If you feel like you do, your mind is still being controlled. I would be scared to go back into a KH now. Those people scare the he** outta me now.
And Greg, if your Witness is boring, that is your fault.
And password, What else are the supervisors (a synonym for overseers) of the congregation supposed to encourage people to do?
And Steve,
Well, if giving magazines and tracts is all that a person can do, more power to them.
And if people don't know about the kingdom, then get out there and teach them.
And Anon: "Therefore, I do not feel like I am in line for destruction for my leaving the organization. Why do you think a Watchtower or Awake can save you from destruction? It cannot."
That is where both you and Steve got it wrong, it is not the Watchtower and Awake that save, it is your attitudes that condemn you. One does not need to read the magazines to be saved, but one must love and live the information within. There are no tricks.
no thanks there umm, VOR, I'll pass. I can't love a magazine so much that i worship the publishing company that prints it, which is what you are saying. I believe you have gotten about 10 minutes of service time with me today. yay!!! Now go tell the elders that you are witnessing to DF's & apostates. & trust me, if we wanted to hear that BS anymore, we all know where the KH is!!!
"I can't love a magazine so much that i worship the publishing company that prints it, which is what you are saying. "
No, that is not what I am saying.
I never say to worship any people. I just say to appreciate how the ones are helping others to serve Jehovah in the congregation.
"I believe you have gotten about 10 minutes of service time with me today. yay!!! Now go tell the elders that you are witnessing to DF's & apostates. & trust me, if we wanted to hear that BS anymore, we all know where the KH is!!! "
I have not heard an announcement saying that some anonymous person is disfellowshipped.
so if we tell you we are DF's you will stop commenting on here? Just checking. I am starting to wonder if you aren't!!!!
And hey, 10 mins here, 10 mins there..adds up! Dontcha know? Or you can just lie like everybody else does on their time reports! Subtract all the coffee/potty breaks and you pretty much get nothing. I know!
"I suggest you change your name in voice of insensibility. "
I never said that I was sensitive to those who left Jehovah. Why would I be since they return to their vomit. If they are desensitized against vomit, then how can we be sensitive to them?
'Sorry, but people are completely unaware that by rejecting the offer of the WT and AW on their doorstep, they are putting themselves in line for eternal destruction.'
Ok, just for those who dont understand this paragraph was SARCASM. I was making the point that people DONT get to hear what JWs believe, they just get offered the magazines. but APPARENTLY this, according to the JWs, is giving the householders answer to Jehovah, and their rejecting of the Mags is, according to the JWs, putting them in line for destruction.
I do not believe this.
My point in my last post was,'Worldly' people in general do NOT know what the central core message is.
"I was making the point that people DONT get to hear what JWs believe, they just get offered the magazines. but APPARENTLY this, according to the JWs, is giving the householders answer to Jehovah, and their rejecting of the Mags is, according to the JWs, putting them in line for destruction. I do not believe this."
Well, why would Jehovah want people around who reject his message and his people?
"My point in my last post was,'Worldly' people in general do NOT know what the central core message is. "
Isn't the internet a great way to get the message out Ronde? (Much more efficient way to reach people and I don't waste gas or increase pollution while doing so.)
Of course, the preaching at these sites is what you call EYE-OPENING sermons - ones you won't get when being witnessed to by a JW.
Although I decry the effectiveness of this blog-owner's method at exposing the false sham that is the Jehovah's Witnesses, I have to say they are correct.
It is probably better to reveal the facts concerning the organization's ties to early communism and the Rothschilds, as well as Charles Taze Russels's connection to the same group, AND Rutherford.
Since Christ was murdered by the Pharisees and other religious leaders of his time period, and they were subsequently conquered by the Romans, the Jews have taught generationaly that they must (according to their prophecies) subjugate the Gentiles, and murder and enslave them (especially the Christians).
In Scotland, they have documentation that Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd degreed Free Mason (this fact is no longer a myth). For those who don't know this: Free Masonry is based on ancient Jewish Mysticism (Caballa)and Charles Taze Russell was Jewish, from a Jewish family (when the Rouselle family line came to America they changed their name to Russell).
What Jehovah's Witnesses are being taught is actually what is believed by the Jews: that they wil establish a New World Order (hence the name of their Bible Translation) where they will rule and all other non-Jews will be subject to them (slaves). They call this paradise. But Christ's idea of Paradise is far from theirs!
Everything about this group is pro Jew, anti-Christian. They call Christianity a harlot, and label all other relgions the same, but they have NEVER lambasted Judaism in the same manner. Read excerpts from the Talmud and you'll see why Judaism should be criticized most of all--but Jehovha's Witnesses "leaders" remain silent.
The Jews established different sects of Christianity (when they pretended to convert to Christianity)and gave them different teachings to pit one against the other. They infiltrated and endoctinated Catholicism with false teachings, and established Jehovah's Witnesses as a front organization to help establish Communist Socialism in the US--they have consolidated their efforts in Obama--this is why they are now selling off their properties in New York and ALSO assisted in destroying Zimbabwe!
Don't give up on faith in Christ. He told us they would do this, in fact when Christ gave the signs of the last days, he implicitly said that none of these things would occur unless the anti-Christ came FIRST! In other words, he meant that the anti-Christ would actually be responsible for all these things occurring! INCLUDING the preaching work--but their reasons for sending people out to preach would NOT be for a noble cause... . And remember, Christianity had already been preached and spread far and wide centuries before Jehovah's Witnesses were spawned!
Satan hasn't won, my friends-but don't give up on our King, Christ! Rmemeber the things you were persuaded to believe, and hold on--because your deliverance is near!
Also: here's a lesson in Hebrew, and a little insight into the Jew mind: the verb form of ho'vah, in Hebrew, means literally: a thing dedicated to destruction; an unclean thing; mischief and ruin--and other blasphemous things!
In Hebrew, the correct pronounciation of God's name would be Yahowah (YHWH)--which gives His name an entirely DIFFERENT and positive meaning of cause, and become. There is no J or V in the Hebrew alphabet--these are Latin symbols (and demons historically prefer Latin). When the Jews infiltratd Christianity (the great Apostacy) they gave Gentiles a corrupted form of God's name which is in essence an utterance of a curse, and literally means destruction and ruination, which can be applied to whomever the Jews choose--namely, they applied it, in this instance, to Christianity! This is why in their "divine" name brochure, when they show the four letters of the tetragramatton, its always in a trianlge over a church--which means that church has been cursed and dedicated to destruction!
As far as how they operate, you have to understand that Jews are many-faced, deceivers. This is why Christ said of them in the scriptures--Don't do as they say, because what they say, they do not do!
Yes, MANY have been utterly decieved, but Yahowah and his Son, the Christ, will have the final say!
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Should be "Give a thoroughly boring witness"
do more. do more. do more. Repeat after me; do more.
For the average JW publisher, bearing 'thorough witness' means asking people if they would like to read the magazines or a tract.
People generally do not have a clue what the JWs believe, except that they dont celebrate birthdays and Christmas and dont take blood.
No one knows about the Kingdom.
I have spoken to many people about why I was JW for such a long time and why I left. In EVERY instance, I have had to explain the basic beliefs of the JWs to them, because not one of them knew.
Sorry, but people are completely unaware that by rejecting the offer of the WT and AW on their doorstep, they are putting themselves in line for eternal destruction.
Can you explain why some posts are removed? I am just curious?
Steve, if you believe what you just wrote, then why did you leave? I was a JW for over 30 yrs. I do not share your sentiment. Therefore, I do not feel like I am in line for destruction for my leaving the organization. Why do you think a Watchtower or Awake can save you from destruction? It cannot. Even if you are an active JW you can be condemned to destruction if you aren't doing all you can. So, whats enough? How much does it take to survive armageddon? There's never enough. It's a merry-go-round. It's the Wizard of Oz behind the big curtain, tricking people, fooling them. But we all know what happened to him! If you feel like you do, your mind is still being controlled. I would be scared to go back into a KH now. Those people scare the he** outta me now.
It is from the Bible.
And Greg, if your Witness is boring, that is your fault.
And password, What else are the supervisors (a synonym for overseers) of the congregation supposed to encourage people to do?
And Steve,
Well, if giving magazines and tracts is all that a person can do, more power to them.
And if people don't know about the kingdom, then get out there and teach them.
And Anon:
"Therefore, I do not feel like I am in line for destruction for my leaving the organization. Why do you think a Watchtower or Awake can save you from destruction? It cannot."
That is where both you and Steve got it wrong, it is not the Watchtower and Awake that save, it is your attitudes that condemn you. One does not need to read the magazines to be saved, but one must love and live the information within. There are no tricks.
Ronde wrote: "it is not the Watchtower and Awake that save...but one must love and live the information within"
Which is it?
no thanks there umm, VOR, I'll pass. I can't love a magazine so much that i worship the publishing company that prints it, which is what you are saying. I believe you have gotten about 10 minutes of service time with me today. yay!!! Now go tell the elders that you are witnessing to DF's & apostates. & trust me, if we wanted to hear that BS anymore, we all know where the KH is!!!
"I can't love a magazine so much that i worship the publishing company that prints it, which is what you are saying. "
No, that is not what I am saying.
I never say to worship any people. I just say to appreciate how the ones are helping others to serve Jehovah in the congregation.
"I believe you have gotten about 10 minutes of service time with me today. yay!!! Now go tell the elders that you are witnessing to DF's & apostates. & trust me, if we wanted to hear that BS anymore, we all know where the KH is!!! "
I have not heard an announcement saying that some anonymous person is disfellowshipped.
But you need at least 10 hours of service time.
Ronde wrote: "But you need at least 10 hours of service time"
Straight from the Watchtower book of unnecessary laws and regulations.
"Binding up your conscience since 1874!"
so if we tell you we are DF's you will stop commenting on here? Just checking. I am starting to wonder if you aren't!!!!
And hey, 10 mins here, 10 mins there..adds up! Dontcha know? Or you can just lie like everybody else does on their time reports! Subtract all the coffee/potty breaks and you pretty much get nothing. I know!
"I just say to appreciate how the ones are helping others...."
vor aka ronde etc.,
Do you really believe that you are helping anyone with your manners?
I suggest you change your name in voice of insensibility.
"I suggest you change your name in voice of insensibility. "
I never said that I was sensitive to those who left Jehovah. Why would I be since they return to their vomit.
If they are desensitized against vomit, then how can we be sensitive to them?
Ronde wrote: "left Jehovah"
He's reading those hearts, again, kids.
'Sorry, but people are completely unaware that by rejecting the offer of the WT and AW on their doorstep, they are putting themselves in line for eternal destruction.'
Ok, just for those who dont understand this paragraph was SARCASM. I was making the point that people DONT get to hear what JWs believe, they just get offered the magazines. but APPARENTLY this, according to the JWs, is giving the householders answer to Jehovah, and their rejecting of the Mags is, according to the JWs, putting them in line for destruction.
I do not believe this.
My point in my last post was,'Worldly' people in general do NOT know what the central core message is.
Ok...I dont know why the name came up as Kechia!! I posted that last comment
"Ronde wrote: "left Jehovah"
He's reading those hearts, again, kids."
Ronde does not need to read hearts, he and we all and Jehovah just sees your actions and your actions speak what is in your heart. Wicked reasonings.
"I was making the point that people DONT get to hear what JWs believe, they just get offered the magazines. but APPARENTLY this, according to the JWs, is giving the householders answer to Jehovah, and their rejecting of the Mags is, according to the JWs, putting them in line for destruction.
I do not believe this."
Well, why would Jehovah want people around who reject his message and his people?
"My point in my last post was,'Worldly' people in general do NOT know what the central core message is. "
Well, then get out there and start preaching.
steve said:
"Ok...I dont know why the name came up as Kechia!! I posted that last comment "
Because you are a Schizophrenic transvestite.
We're preaching right here. It's awfully convenient.
Yes, we are preaching VOR...
Read:
www.freeminds.org
www.jwfacts.com
www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com
www.silentlambs.org
Isn't the internet a great way to get the message out Ronde? (Much more efficient way to reach people and I don't waste gas or increase pollution while doing so.)
Of course, the preaching at these sites is what you call EYE-OPENING sermons - ones you won't get when being witnessed to by a JW.
Ronde stated: "Because you are a Schizophrenic transvestite."
Enough with the name calling Ronde. Is that what you want to be known for???
'Well, why would Jehovah want people around who reject his message and his people?'
People are not being given the chance to reject his message because they dont know what it is!
What do the majority of worldly people believe the JWs message to be?
1. Dont have blood transfusions.
2. Dont celebrate birthdays or Christmas.
Thats it. Great message. Not.
As for the name calling...'Forgive him father, for he does not know what he is doing.'
"Yes, we are preaching VOR..."
That is not preaching.
That is hate.
Where do you have Daniel 2:44 and anything else about the kingdom?
Where do you have places where people can gather to associate regularly?
You are a farce.
Ronde wrote: [something else]
That means nothing.
VOR replied: "You are a farce."
I know you are but what am I?
(Excuse me readers for that, but it seems that Voice of Reason/Ronde only understands things that are immature in nature.
Although I decry the effectiveness of this blog-owner's method at exposing the false sham that is the Jehovah's Witnesses, I have to say they are correct.
It is probably better to reveal the facts concerning the organization's ties to early communism and the Rothschilds, as well as Charles Taze Russels's connection to the same group, AND Rutherford.
Since Christ was murdered by the Pharisees and other religious leaders of his time period, and they were subsequently conquered by the Romans, the Jews have taught generationaly that they must (according to their prophecies) subjugate the Gentiles, and murder and enslave them (especially the Christians).
In Scotland, they have documentation that Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd degreed Free Mason (this fact is no longer a myth). For those who don't know this: Free Masonry is based on ancient Jewish Mysticism (Caballa)and Charles Taze Russell was Jewish, from a Jewish family (when the Rouselle family line came to America they changed their name to Russell).
What Jehovah's Witnesses are being taught is actually what is believed by the Jews: that they wil establish a New World Order (hence the name of their Bible Translation) where they will rule and all other non-Jews will be subject to them (slaves). They call this paradise. But Christ's idea of Paradise is far from theirs!
Everything about this group is pro Jew, anti-Christian. They call Christianity a harlot, and label all other relgions the same, but they have NEVER lambasted Judaism in the same manner. Read excerpts from the Talmud and you'll see why Judaism should be criticized most of all--but Jehovha's Witnesses "leaders" remain silent.
The Jews established different sects of Christianity (when they pretended to convert to Christianity)and gave them different teachings to pit one against the other. They infiltrated and endoctinated Catholicism with false teachings, and established Jehovah's Witnesses as a front organization to help establish Communist Socialism in the US--they have consolidated their efforts in Obama--this is why they are now selling off their properties in New York and ALSO assisted in destroying Zimbabwe!
Don't give up on faith in Christ. He told us they would do this, in fact when Christ gave the signs of the last days, he implicitly said that none of these things would occur unless the anti-Christ came FIRST! In other words, he meant that the anti-Christ would actually be responsible for all these things occurring! INCLUDING the preaching work--but their reasons for sending people out to preach would NOT be for a noble cause... . And remember, Christianity had already been preached and spread far and wide centuries before Jehovah's Witnesses were spawned!
Satan hasn't won, my friends-but don't give up on our King, Christ! Rmemeber the things you were persuaded to believe, and hold on--because your deliverance is near!
Also: here's a lesson in Hebrew, and a little insight into the Jew mind: the verb form of ho'vah, in Hebrew, means literally: a thing dedicated to destruction; an unclean thing; mischief and ruin--and other blasphemous things!
In Hebrew, the correct pronounciation of God's name would be Yahowah (YHWH)--which gives His name an entirely DIFFERENT and positive meaning of cause, and become. There is no J or V in the Hebrew alphabet--these are Latin symbols (and demons historically prefer Latin). When the Jews infiltratd Christianity (the great Apostacy) they gave Gentiles a corrupted form of God's name which is in essence an utterance of a curse, and literally means destruction and ruination, which can be applied to whomever the Jews choose--namely, they applied it, in this instance, to Christianity! This is why in their "divine" name brochure, when they show the four letters of the tetragramatton, its always in a trianlge over a church--which means that church has been cursed and dedicated to destruction!
As far as how they operate, you have to understand that Jews are many-faced, deceivers. This is why Christ said of them in the scriptures--Don't do as they say, because what they say, they do not do!
Yes, MANY have been utterly decieved, but Yahowah and his Son, the Christ, will have the final say!
lookpastthelayers,
none of that has anything to do with jws.
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