Saturday, September 20, 2008

Jehovah's Witness Growth Chart

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Since 1995, statistics for the Watchtower Society have rapidly become less encouraging in almost every indicator. Most dramatic have been the increase in people leaving and the number of hours required to convert an extra publisher. It would appear a dramatic change in growth of Jehovah's Witnesses relates to the change of the generation teaching, and access to information via the Internet. American studies show that Jehovah's Witnesses now have the highest turnover of any religion, as supported by Watchtower figures presented in this section. In the 10 years from 1996 to 2005 there were 2,968,732 baptisms, yet the increase in average publishers was only 1,439,672. This shows 1,529,060 stopped publishing. Even accounting for the average death rate, over 1 million Witnesses left in a 10 year period. There are limitations to how much can be read into each individual statistic. For instance “Hours preaching per baptism” is limited in that it can not be determined how many baptisms were newly interested people from the territory, and how many were children raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses. Furthermore, a person that becomes a publisher does not necessarily go on to be baptised. What is readily apparent is that the trends show a significant drop in growth, and an even more significant increase in the percentages leaving. (To see all figures used in these graphs.)
Percentage increase of average publishers.
The most important statistics are percentage growth rates; these show a significant drop over the last ten years. In the 5 years prior to 1975 the number of publishers was increasing at an average of 15% per year. During the 1980’s and early 1990’s growth continued at over 5% per year. This has fallen to between 1 - 2%, hardly more than the world’s population growth of 1.2%. A large number of new publishers are teenagers that were raised as Jehovah’s Witnesses. This indicates that over 1 billion hours of preaching a year only brings enough new people to the Watchtower Society to replace the children that leave.
Statistics for the 2008 Service Year have not yet been published, but when they are in February 2009, you will see a definite downswing in the number of field service hours as well as the growth rate.
Many witnesses are waking up to the bogus teachings of the Watchtower Society. Of course, there are also many witnesses who will stay with the Society no matter what they do. These people will forever be chasing after the carrot of everlasting life that they hold out. These sad people truly believe that they are pleasing Jehovah.
There are people in my own family that have spent their whole life waiting for the end to come so that they can live in a paradise earth. Now some of their children and their children's children are joining in that wait. They refuse to recognize that the Watchtower is nothing more than a corporation, a made man, human run business. I feel so sorry for them.

50 comments:

Voice of Reason said...

"Since 1995, statistics for the Watchtower Society"

Those are not Watchtower Society statistics, those are statistics of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Watchtower Society stats would be how much was printed.

Voice of Reason said...

"Most dramatic have been the increase in people leaving"

That is not important.

That must means that the weak ones are being sifted out as they should be.

" Many witnesses are waking up to the bogus teachings of the Watchtower Society."

Why haven't you ever published any?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the chart. It's nice to read something (at least nearly) factual on your blog for a change!

Yours assumptions are wrong, however, because your calculations assume that all those who do not report have "stopped". This isn't the case. Sometimes they just forget to put their report in. If just 10% of publishers forget to turn in a report just once during the year, then the average number of publishers falls by nearly 56,000!

But even using the figures in your chart, based on your chart 4,768,318 people were baptized in the 16-year period. By your calculation, 1,017,062 have left. So we can say then, on the basis of these figures, that in the 16-year-period covered by the chart, 80% of Jehovah's Witnesses remained faithful to their dedication!

That is a very encouraging piece of news that I will share with the brothers at the Kingdom Hall today.

Anonymous said...

I would be careful about saying that all those who don't publish have "stopped". Many inactive publishers and most disfellowshipped ones still identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses and believe they have the truth.

Ex-witness forums on the internet are not representative of inactive/disfellowshipped Witnesses in general, many of whom defend Witnesses when when they are criticized and say "I know it is the truth, even if I'm not living the way I should."

Anonymous said...

I think it's a pity you missed out the last service year, for whatever reason.

Baptisms: 298,304 (Highest since 1999)

Increase over previous year: 49,977 (Higher than any other year in your chart)

Baptisms as % of average publishers 4.4% (Highest since 2001)

Average publishers: 6,691,790 (Highest ever)

Average publisher increase: 200,035 (Highest since 1996)

% increase average publishers: 3.1 (Highest since 1998)

Difference between baptisms and publishers: 98,269

Estimated number died: 58,754

Total number that have stopped: 39,515 (Lowest figure since 1991)

Percentage stopping:baptisms: 13.2% (Lowest since 1995)

Total hours preaching: 1,431,761,554

Hours per baptism: 4799 (roughly same as 2003)

Hours per additional publisher: 7157 (Best since 1998)

Well, now I think I know why you didn't include last year in your figures!!!

Of course, it is a concern to see some fading away from the truth and I'm pretty sure that the new book Keep Yourselves in God's Love will help many more to keep their faith strong.

Statistics may go up or down; they're interesting but not all-important. But at the moment, the statistics show that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing well. Of course in our history, we have had growth in the number of believers almost every year (not many religious groups can make that claim). The growth is not slowing down, regardless of the wishful thinking of yourself and others.

james said...

Anon said "...most disfellowshipped ones still identify themselves as JWs and believe they have the truth". Are you serious? With a pro JW view of things like that you should be on the writing commitee. I know many who are disfellowshipped, disassociated, or have just stopped going to meetings. Not one of them thinks JWs have the truth. I also remember when i was a JW, if someone left, it was often said that the person 'knows it's the truth' and would be back. This is obviously because those still in it can't accept the fact that people leave for good reasons, ie that JWs don't have the truth.

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Berean said...

Anon wrote: "I'm pretty sure that the new book Keep Yourselves in God's Love will help many more to keep their faith strong."

Why do you need extra books for that, when you have the Bible?

Also, I find this fascination with figures intriguing, especially in light of Revelation 7:9: "a great crowd, which no man was able to number"

Anonymous said...

I know many who are disfellowshipped, disassociated, or have just stopped going to meetings. Not one of them thinks JWs have the truth.


Could that be because the ones I'm talking about don't frequent ex-JW forums where they gather to exchange atrocity stories? Of course most of that type of ex-JW don't think JWs have the truth. But inactive and disfellowshipped people in general are not like that. Opposers can insist all they like that all other ex-JW's feel the same way as they do, but it just isn't true. Many ex-JW's feel utter contempt for apostates.

The fact that people are disfellowshipped rather than disassociating themselves shows that they wanted to stay in the organization and would have stayed in had they not been disfellowshipped. They were willing to meet with a judicial committee precisely because they wanted to stay in the truth. If they didn't, then all they had to do was disassociate themselves.

GBL him/herself acknowledges that a third of disfellowshipped people come back. Now that is strange if they they don't believe it's the truth.

In my experience, most congregations have at least two or three disfellowshipped people who attend some meetings -- could be two or three hundred thousand disfellowshipped people who do still think it's the truth.

Anonymous said...

Berean wrote: "Why do you need extra books for that, when you have the Bible?"

Because they are the most effective way of obeying Matthew 28:19 - "Teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you."

1 Timothy 4:13 - "Continue applying yourself to public reading, to exhortation, to teaching."

Teaching involves something additional to public Bible reading. The apostles taught and give discourses to the congregation. Now if it was necessary to give discourses to explain the scriptures, how can it be wrong to put similar expositions in print?

If you take the position that there should be no publications explaining the Bible, then better throw all Bible encyclopedias, commentaries, devotional materials. If printed study aids are wrong, then why should sermons be acceptable? One is in printed form, the other is spoken. That is the ony difference. Services in any church that really held such a view would have to consist of Bible reading without commentary - no sermons.

In reality, printed material has been instrumental in helping millions of people learn the truth. As Jesus said, wisdom is proved righteous by its works.

Also, I find this fascination with figures intriguing, especially in light of Revelation 7:9: "a great crowd, which no man was able to number".

There is no fascination with figures, as you put it. The only reason we're discussing figures at all is that GBL is trying to discourage the Witnesses who visit his blog by asserting that their preaching work is unsuccessful. The figures show that position to be false, and that is why I cited them a day or two ago.

Or is it only OK to mention figures if they're negative?

james said...

Anon said "The fact that people are disfellowshipped rather than disassociating themselves shows that they wanted to stay in the organization". You presume to know alot about people don't you. I was disfellowshipped and didn't want to stay in the congregation. By the time of my judicial meeting i had decided it wasn't the truth and i no longer considered myself a JW. The elders wanted me to disassociate myself but i wouldn't. Why?. Because i was happy to continue to talk to the members of the congregation when i saw them. I felt that if i disassociated myself then i was saying to the members of the congregation "I'm not talking to you". I said to the elders that if they wanted the congregation to stop talking to me then they would have to disfellowship me, i wasn't going to disassociate myself from them and shun them, if there was going to be any shunning it would have to come from them.

Nathan said...

Hey anon (who filled in the stats for 2007),

thank you very much for that. That is exactly what I wanted to do! This alone shows the complete interpretation bias of GBL, which I would call targeted! If I find time next week I will present other evidence for it.

JoePublish said...

GBL said: "It would appear a dramatic change in growth of Jehovah's Witnesses relates to the change of the generation teaching, and access to information via the Internet."

This statement is SO true! You are right on with this statement (above).

An excellent and very accurate youtube video explains the problems with the generation change(s). Changes like this have caused MANY to be disillusioned with this religion – many cannot go out into F/S because of feeling betrayed by these CORE teachings that taught the end was SO NEAR!

Cut and paste this URL into your browers's web address box:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJIl7GYjrxY&feature=user

It is very disturbing to watch this video because it just relates the "facts". The only way for faithful JW's to deal with this video is to go into denial. Sincere and honest JW's who are true to themselves, cannot deny what this video is exposing.

btw: Watch the other WTCOMMENTS videos, if you dare. They are so well done - very professional and VERY accurate.

JoePublish said...

"Voice of Reason", is that you Ronde??? The reason I ask is that that your responses are very much like the old "Ronde" responses.

For instance, take the very first response above: "Those are not Watchtower Society statistics, those are statistics of Jehovah's Witnesses. Watchtower Society stats would be how much was printed."

If I recall Ronde, that was one of your favorite tools: word semantics. And many have commented on how you have tried to confuse things by trying to play the "word semantics" game.

You purpose is to try to avoid the truth by deflecting the topic. BTW: The Watchtower Society aren't "the machines" printing the literature, it's "the PEOPLE" who BELONG to the religion, Jehovah's Witnesses.

You may fool some people VOR (alias for Ronde I believe), but you'll never fool us - who are in the know and have your number.

Anonymous said...

You presume to know alot about people don't you. I was disfellowshipped and didn't want to stay in the congregation. By the time of my judicial meeting i had decided it wasn't the truth and i no longer considered myself a JW.

Fair enough but I never said that all ex-Witnesses still believe it's the truth. This may have been James' experience, but it is definitely not the experience of most disfellowshipped persons. I have known many people who got disfellowshipped; some (maybe half) have come back, some haven't. But I'm absolutely certain that most of the ones I have known over the years still believed it is the truth. Many - I would think most - do not celebrate Christmas. Some have refused blood transfusions.

I reiterate that what James said may be true of the limited number of die-hard opposers who frequent ex-Witness sites on the internet, but it's emphatically not the case with most who leave the truth. Doubtless that is why, according to GBL's figures, well over a quarter of a million of them were reinstated in the period covered by his chart.

I'm not going to discuss this any more, because I feel I've presented enough evidence. All James has presented is his own, atypical experience.

Anonymous said...

GBL said: "It would appear a dramatic change in growth of Jehovah's Witnesses relates to the change of the generation teaching, and access to information via the Internet."

This statement is SO true! You are right on with this statement (above).


Not only is the statement not "SO true"; it is not true at all. I will prove it.

First of all, there has not been a dramatic change in growth of Jehovah's Witnesses since 1995, when the article about "this generation" was published. As you can see from the table that GBL helpfully provided, the number of publishers has grown by 35% since 1995 - a growth virtually unparalleled in any other religious organization.

Next, note that nearly half the Jehovah's Witnesses were not in the truth in 1995. So how on earth can the change in explanation of Matthew 24:34 be in any sense a significant factor.

As for the internet, well, obviously it has made it easier for apostates to get their message across, but who is listening? Since last year the number of people leaving the truth was the lowest since 1991 (using GBL's own figures - and his formula for 2007). It doesn't look to me as though the internet has made any difference at all.

When people do go out of the truth, more often than not it is either the pressures of life (inactive) or problems with immoral behavior (disfellowshipped). Apostates are and always have been, a tiny proportion of those leaving the truth.

Voice of Reason said...

He also forgets that a person becomes a publisher before one gets baptized. So the two are not related.

Voice of Reason said...

What is most important is not individuals , but the fact that the number of congregations have always increased, never decreased.

Thus publishers can quit, elders can quit, but the ark is still being built.

Voice of Reason said...

James said:
"This is obviously because those still in it can't accept the fact that people leave for good reasons, ie that JWs don't have the truth. "

There is never a good reason to leave the truth and stop being a Witness of Jehovah.

We do have the true religion and no one has proven otherwise.

All that you all are talking about is the Watchtower, what people have done. That has nothing to do with our religion.

Voice of Reason said...

GBLetters, what we see on this blog is a good example of the rocky soil as with your heart, the truth has not gone deep enough to take root.

Or the birds took it away or your heart is along the road.

Your heart is not the fertile soil where the truth took hold and grew.

Voice of Reason said...

Berean said;
"when you have the Bible?"

Why what an ignorant statement.

The Bible is not enough. If it were then there would not be people stopping publishing. And there would not be other religions and various factions of "Christianity".

Anonymous said...

An 'increase' in any number doesn't prove anything.

Noah preached for decades and never convinced a single person to follow him.

JWs think that because they have an increase this somehow proves something.

More Mormons, More Muslims, greater increases in many other religions.

Sincerity and increase don't equal THE ONE TRUE RELIGION.

Anonymous said...

"The weak ones are being sifted out as they should be". (Voice of Reason speaking for Jehovah’s Witnesses)

Q: On a scale between the practices of the Pharisees (1)
and the teachings of Jesus (10), where does the attitude of Jehovah’s Witness fit?

Q: Does The Witnesses’ attitude that “weak ones” deserve to be “sifted out” fit with the Father’s attitude toward the “lost sheep” of Jesus parable (Matt 13:12-14)?

Q: Jehovah’s Witnesses often quote “by this they will know that you are my disciples – that you love one another.” On a scale of 1 to 10 where does JW’s “sifting out” the “weak ones” put them on a demonstration of love?

Q: Given Voice of Reason’s statement defending Jehovah’s Witnesses practice of “sifting” [like Satan!] (Luke 22:31) the “weak ones” how likely are you to believe their claim to be “footstep followers of Jesus”?

Anonymous said...

"All James has presented is his own, atypical experience." Anon.

If you would like to verity your belief you can post a survey for more than 1,000 ExJDubs at

exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com

Voice of Reason said...

James said:
"I was disfellowshipped and didn't want to stay in the congregation. "

Well, good that you are gone as your heart is not of the fine soil. Sorry you went through the motions as you were not a worshipper of Jehovah. Typical of anti-JWs.

Anonymous said...

"Cults shoot their wounded."

The pregnant, single woman disfellowshipped. The drug addict. The baptized teenager that makes a mistake and doesn't recognize it immediately.

All of these people, cast away like trash, by 'God's organization'. If anything JWs make God look like a petty tyrant.

Anonymous said...

LOL! Voice of Reason now reads hearts!

"And the hits just keep on coming..."

Voice of Reason said...

Joepub said:
""Voice of Reason", is that you Ronde??? The reason I ask is that that your responses are very much like the old "Ronde" responses."

No. I am the Voice of Reason because I am reasonable. If other Witnesses say the same as I do, then that is expected because we are reasonable.

"For instance, take the very first response above: "Those are not Watchtower Society statistics, those are statistics of Jehovah's Witnesses. Watchtower Society stats would be how much was printed."
If I recall Ronde, that was one of your favorite tools: word semantics. And many have commented on how you have tried to confuse things by trying to play the "word semantics" game."

That is not word semantics. What about the work in England. That is not the WTS. That is the International Bible Students Assoc.

Back prior to 1942, the yearbooks published stats of the WTS as in how much was printed. But since the yearbooks are called "Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses" I would think that you can read, or can't you?

Voice of Reason said...

"More Mormons, More Muslims, greater increases in many other religions. "

Not if they keep blowing themselves up.


People, stop being so negative on the JWs. We have the true religion.

Voice of Reason said...

"The weak ones are being sifted out as they should be". (Voice of Reason speaking for Jehovah’s Witnesses)"

"Q: On a scale between the practices of the Pharisees (1)
and the teachings of Jesus (10), where does the attitude of Jehovah’s Witness fit?"

Since Jesus is perfect, we are a 7 going on a 10 in 1000 years. But there are specific individuals who are a 1.

"Q: Does The Witnesses’ attitude that “weak ones” deserve to be “sifted out” fit with the Father’s attitude toward the “lost sheep” of Jesus parable (Matt 13:12-14)?"

Jesus is the one that said that some hearts are not fine soil in that they are rocky soil, or the side of the road, or birds ate them. Thus they are not sheep at all.

"Q: Jehovah’s Witnesses often quote “by this they will know that you are my disciples – that you love one another.” On a scale of 1 to 10 where does JW’s “sifting out” the “weak ones” put them on a demonstration of love?"

Well, since those ones (such as the negative nellies on here) are not sheep and they have the rocky soil and bad hearts, that is not relevant since they are not sheep.

"Q: Given Voice of Reason’s statement defending Jehovah’s Witnesses practice of “sifting” [like Satan!] (Luke 22:31) the “weak ones” how likely are you to believe their claim to be “footstep followers of Jesus”? "

We don't do the sifting. The fact that they do not have good hearts shows that they sift themselves out. Jehovah does the sifting and testing. He will do it now or in his Day. If he does it now, they have the opportunity to come back and repent and get the heart some fine soil.

Anonymous said...

Its always the same excuses. If there is an increase its evidence of Jehovah's blessing. If there is a decrease it's because there is a sifting work going on.

Its just like their reasoning on the mindsets of those who have left. If someone says they are miserable, then its because they left Jehovah. If they are happy, its because they are selfishly doing what they want.

They also conveniently switch between Armageddons so close if something dramatic happens in the world, but if things quieten down, then its going to be the shout of 'peace and security' anytime soon.

They have all the bases covered. Except for the fact that they are completely fooling themselves.

Voice of Reason said...

"If you would like to verity your belief you can post a survey for more than 1,000 ExJDubs at"

People's experiences have nothing to do with the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses. That just means that people did things that others did not like and took exception to and were not mature enough to adjust and forgive and let go.

Voice of Reason said...

"The pregnant, single woman disfellowshipped. The drug addict. The baptized teenager that makes a mistake and doesn't recognize it immediately.
All of these people, cast away like trash, by 'God's organization'. If anything JWs make God look like a petty tyrant."

Well, when you know all of the details and not just the ones that the DF'd person related, then you will be in a position to state such a thing.

Anonymous said...

'If anything JWs make God look like a petty tyrant.'

The JWs are only echoing the Bible. The God of the OT is a genocidal, jealous, vindictive, petulant,
tyrant.

He kills the innocent and allows the guilty to live even though he has laid out the law and the punishments himself.

You want an example? David. he is an adulterer and murderer. What does the law state? He should die. He doesnt. An innocent baby dies instead. He takes an illegal census. Boy, does that make God mad. I mean it's one of the most heinous crimes ever! How does David get punished? He doesnt. God kills 70,000 innocent Israelites for that sin. Im sure David felt pretty bad about that, and that he was repentant.

That's the sort of justice Jehovah deals out. Its no wonder the justice of the JWs is just as warped.

Voice of Reason said...

"The JWs are only echoing the Bible. The God of the OT is a genocidal, jealous, vindictive, petulant, tyrant."

Is that bad? Only if you are on the wrong side.

"He kills the innocent and allows the guilty to live even though he has laid out the law and the punishments himself."

Is that bad? Who is innocent?

"You want an example? David. he is an adulterer and murderer. What does the law state? He should die. He doesnt. An innocent baby dies instead. "

What is innocent about that baby? That baby never should have been born.


"He takes an illegal census. Boy, does that make God mad. I mean it's one of the most heinous crimes ever! How does David get punished? He doesnt. God kills 70,000 innocent Israelites for that sin. Im sure David felt pretty bad about that, and that he was repentant."

What was innocent about them?

"That's the sort of justice Jehovah deals out. Its no wonder the justice of the JWs is just as warped. "

Just obey him and there would not be the problem.

Anonymous said...

'Just obey him and there would not be the problem.'

OR, as in Davids case, DISOBEY him and there wont be a problem.

Anonymous said...

'What is innocent about that baby? That baby never should have been born.'

That is the most idiotic statement I have ever seen. Literally. So any baby born through adultery or rape should be killed? Or maybe aborted?

And it does not answer the question of why David did not die, as stated by Gods LAW.

Any other Israelite peasant would have been put to death, no matter how 'repentant' he was.

Voice of Reason said...

"'What is innocent about that baby? That baby never should have been born.'
That is the most idiotic statement I have ever seen. Literally. So any baby born through adultery or rape should be killed? Or maybe aborted?"

No. The baby should not have been born. When David had sex with her, she was a week after her period ended as she was in cleansing. Women are infertile at that time. So an infertile woman got pregnant. That was possibly caused by God.


"And it does not answer the question of why David did not die, as stated by Gods LAW."

Because he was given forgiveness.

"Any other Israelite peasant would have been put to death, no matter how 'repentant' he was."

And any other peasant did not have a covenant with Jehovah bringing for his seed sitting on his throne forever.

Anonymous said...

Voice of Reason:

Showing the JW love.

Christ is refrshing. If you're loaded down, come to Christ.

Don't follow mind control organizations that tell you salvation is by means of association with a particular denomination.

The Bible never changes. JW beliefs change all the time.

Jehovah God does not change. JW beliefs change all the time.

Their unique interpretation of scripture is a marvel of circular reasoning.

JoePublish said...

VOR replied to whether or not he's really Ronde, "No. I am the Voice of Reason because I am reasonable. If other Witnesses say the same as I do, then that is expected because we are reasonable."

Well Voice or Reason, this pretty much says that you are indeed Ronde, coupled with your following posts.

Pretty neat how I figured that out. Not really. Anyone with half a brain could have figured that out if they have been watching the posts for any amount of time.

"That" is the kind of "reputation" you have Ronde on this web-blog. No matter what alias you take, your comments/replies/posts reveal IT IS YOU!"

J said...

VoR "The Bible is not enough"

Joe
"Well Voice or Reason, this pretty much says that you are indeed Ronde"

Thank you Joe.

Let's see ronde=mornon
VoR=moron.

'Let's see that makes ronde and VoR cancel out, moron divided by moron equals one moron.'

Anonymous said...

"All James has presented is his own, atypical experience." Anon.

If you would like to verity [sic] your belief you can post a survey for more than 1,000 ExJDubs at

exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com


First of all, you are very disrespectful. You know what I'm talking about.

Secondly, you are overlooking the very point I've been making over and over again: Of course the kind of disfellowshipped person that joins ex-witness forums is not going to believe JW's have the truth. It would be like trying to sell hamburgers at a vegetarians' conference in Germany and then saying that most of the Germans don't like hamburgers!

How many ex-Witnesses have joined ex-Witness forums like the one you mention? I'd put it at less than 1%

Anonymous said...

We are working hard to educate all ex-JWs about the destructive cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses.

For some people, it takes years before they can shake the fear and trembling that Watchtower has created in their minds. They quake in fear, thinking an Armageddon is coming, that will kill them, along with millions of Chinese children.

"The truth shall set you free." - J. Christ.

Voice of Reason said...

"We are working hard to educate all ex-JWs about the destructive cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses."

First I would say that you need to learn something about Jehovah's Witnesses and the exjws here don't know a thing about us.

JoePublish said...

Voice or Reason (aka Ronde) stated: "First I would say that you need to learn something about Jehovah's Witnesses and the exjws here don't know a thing about us."

The "exjws here don't know a thing about us"?

That statement doesn't fly, on at least two counts.

First, they are EX-jw's (some for many decades and some of these in positions of responsibility such as previous circuit overseers, belthelites, elders, ministerial servants, etc). To imply they know 'nothing' about JW's is a contradiction!

Second, viewing their posts CLEARLY shows that not only do they know intimately about this religion, they are also know things (i.e. Child Abuse Scandal) that most JW's do NOT know.

This is just another prejudicial and unsubstantiated comment from Ronde (who now uses "Voice of Reason" as a new alias). This is the same JW who placed the blame for child abuse amongst JW's squarely on the victims and their parents - can you believe that?!?

Because of this and MANY other unbelievable/irresponsible/insenstive comments, "Ronde" developed such a bad reputation he CHANGED his name to Voice of Reason (but he didn't think anyone would notice, I might add.)

BTW: Can you think of any organziation that utilizes the same "CHANGE" tactic? Yes indeed! JW "leaders" (aka GB) employ the change tactic every time their teachings PROVE WRONG.

That should give you something to THINK about.

Anonymous said...

The average person walking down the street knows more about the JW history than the active JW. Same with the Mormons.

Members are shielded from the ugly portions of the history that cannot be reconciled with the Bible.

Voice of Reason said...

"The average person walking down the street knows more about the JW history than the active JW"

JW history starts when a person is baptized.

Anonymous said...

Uh-huh. Pretending that your religion doesn't have a history?

Read your Bible. Jehovah is big on history. So am I.

I have examined your 'fruits'. They are rotten.

Armageddon: Just around the corner, since 1874!

Voice of Reason said...

This is why JWs must be here. To set matters straight.

"Armageddon: Just around the corner, since 1874! "

No. It is Just around the corner since 96CE.

JoePublish said...

Now that we know that Voice of Reason is indeed "Ronde", let's revisit his answer to the straight forward question as to whether VOC is "Ronde".

VOR responded: "No. I am the Voice of Reason because I am reasonable. If other Witnesses say the same as I do, then that is expected because we are reasonable."

So, VOR denied that he is Ronde - which is an outright lie (all his comments under VOR belie his claim that he's not Ronde).

What's interesting is that this is the fourth time I have caught Ronde not telling the truth.

The question that begs to be asked is why do some JW's lie? Especially when they now they are going to get caught.