Monday, August 25, 2008

New York Times Article Regarding Miracle Wheat

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...and Jesus Went Into The Temple Of God, And Cast Out All Them That Sold And Bought In The Temple- Matthew 21:12



27 comments:

Anonymous said...

THE DATE!!!!!!!

1911............1911.....1911 ARE YOU KIDDING? GIVE ME A BREAK!

OK, THEY SOLD WHEAT, THEY DIDN'T CONDUCT THE INQUISITION!

Governing Body Letters said...

Yes, this happened in 1911. This is a part of your Watchtower history. The founder of your religion sold Miracle Wheat in his place of worship.
If 1st century Jerusalem is of paramount importance to Jehovah's Witnesses, then 1911, by comparison, is not that long ago.

kimmy jo said...

This is the history of the Watchtower. It is relevant because your organization claims to be the "ONLY TRUE RELIGION", with direct APPROVAL from the ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH GOD, under headship of JESUS.

This history uncovers the weird beginings of your self preserving, self rightous, ungodly organization.

I think there is more about that "wheat". I believe he was taken to court about misrepresenting this wheats miraculous abilitys.

Tom Rook said...

It gets back to the principle of crap.

Depending on which group of ANYBODY you associate with, generally, 85% of everything is crap.

Jehovah's Witnesses carry a heavy load of, in my 42 years of observation, about 15% to 25% crap.

I personally carry a different load.

So do YOU.

There is a statute of limitations on gross stupidity, which is the category this "miracle wheat" comes under.

There is no statute of limitations on Trinitarian Christendom filling the earth with mountains of bodies and rivers of blood of the innocent, causing death, destruction, and hardship not only to their "brethren" (what a sad, sad joke...), with 1700 years of warfare, prostitution with the "Kings of the Earth", inquisitions, slave trades, tyranny and oppression.

Have Jehovah's witnesses been comically stupid?

..and greedy?

YES

In the great scheme of things it is like bug stains on the front of the Titanic.

There is no statute of limitations on MURDER, even the murder of a half billion people over 1700 years.

Get a life!

Tom.Rook@Technik-SA.US

Governing Body Letters said...

"There is no statute of limitations on Trinitarian Christendom filling the earth with mountains of bodies and rivers of blood of the innocent, causing death, destruction, and hardship not only to their "brethren" (what a sad, sad joke...), with 1700 years of warfare, prostitution with the "Kings of the Earth", inquisitions, slave trades, tyranny and oppression."
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I agree. But it is not fair to single out Christendom. Almost all religions have a history of bloodshed.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not exempt from that list. Imagine all of the death caused by followers of this religion as a result of:
No vaccinations
No organ transplants
No voting cards for Malawians
and the biggest of them all,
No Blood Transfusions!
I personally believe that Jehovah's Witnesses carry a greater percentage of crap that you give them credit for. I would say 89% to 94% at a minimum.
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"There is no statute of limitations on MURDER, even the murder of a half billion people over 1700 years."
I agree. But give the witnesses time, their number of senseless deaths caused by their wacky doctrines is rising.
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"Get a life!"
Now, Tom, I thought we already went over this.
I have a life!

Now, Tom, didn't we discuss this before?

Anonymous said...

If we are such a goofy organization, and have some pretty peculiar history....then all the more reason to believe that Jehovah God has decided to lead this Organization through His Son, Jesus Christ. Why?

How could some obscure man like Russel, I think you called him a former furniture salesman, and his little band of Bible Students, grow and prosper to be the 7 million strong preaching in over 235 lands and nations (for free don't forget)? If not blessed by and backed by Jehovah God how could this be possible.

Jesus chose Paul, a murderer and opposer of Christ, Jehovah used and worked with the nation of Israel, many kings of Israel were very bad, but Jehovah dealt with these men......so why couldn't Jehovah deal with us? Jehovah has a history of working with some very peculiar people....and a few animals to boot.

We have problems but we are the ones doing the Preaching of the good news of the Kingdom. We prosper because Jehovah is backing us!

I think our history is sometimes funny, but you take yourself too seriously.

Ronde said...

Part of "my" Watchtower history?

I don't think so. This was never taught at a meeting or assembly so it is not part of the religion.

Try again.

Ronde said...

Kimmy Jo

"This is the history of the Watchtower. It is relevant because your organization claims to be the "ONLY TRUE RELIGION", with direct APPROVAL from the ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH GOD, under headship of JESUS."

I think that you give the Watchtower and God and Jesus too much credit.

Ronde said...

GBLetters said:

"No vaccinations
No organ transplants"

You never showed where there was a ban on those things. So you lie again.


"No voting cards for Malawians"

So what of it? You think that people ought to surrender to them?
Why don't you advocate their being nice to people?


"and the biggest of them all,
No Blood Transfusions!"

What does that have to do with losing life? Why can't people refuse blood and live?

Oh, inept doctors.

kimmy jo said...

All you who defend the organization and society are where you belong, but actually you are not with them either because you are hear and that is a no-no.

ronde you made this odd statement refering to me,

"I think that you give the Watchtower and God and Jesus too much credit."


Maybe one of you other defenders should tell ronde a thing or two, that is a very STRONG STATEMENT from someone who CLAIMS to be part of the elite group the JW's. EXPLAINATION PLEASE.

Ronde said...

Kimmy Jo,

Neither Jehovah God nor Jesus Christ micromanage their followers. Why would they? That is not what they want.

Read the story of Job.

He was not micromanaged.

So yes, you give Jehovah, Jesus and the FDS too much credit if they think that they micromange us all. They don't want that responsibility.


"because you are hear and that is a no-no. "

IF you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Governing Body Letters said...

"How could some obscure man like Russel, I think you called him a former furniture salesman, and his little band of Bible Students, grow and prosper to be the 7 million strong preaching in over 235 lands and nations (for free don't forget)? If not blessed by and backed by Jehovah God how could this be possible."
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Are you kidding?
Is Microsoft blessed by Jehovah? Windows is on every computer in the entire world and translated into thousand of languages. Do they claim Jehovah's blessings?
Ever heard of Amway, the sales company. They changed the name recently and I can't remember what it is, but they sell their products all over the world, even in places where the witnesses can't get into. They have sales meetings, conventions and prayers just like the witnesses. Is Jehovah blessing them?
And what about the lowly cockroach. This small, insignificant bug has survived since the stone-age. Do you think this bug might be some kind of a God? Is Jehovah blessing the cockroach.
Is longevity and humble beginnings a sign of being blessed by Jehovah. Let's ask Oprah!
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Do not be misled. The Watchtower is a billion dollar corporation. They can well afford to do anything they want and pay for it, and yet they use volunteer workers to do their work, thereby insuring that they remain super rich!

Ronde said...

GBLetters said:

"Is Microsoft blessed by Jehovah? Windows is on every computer in the entire world and translated into thousand of languages. Do they claim Jehovah's blessings?"

Yes Msoft is blessed. We have the WTCDROM which works on Windows and the publishing and writing computers work on Windows, and more importantly, my computer works on Windows, so to do that Microsoft had to be blessed.

Yes, Jehovah blesses alticor too because I know many Witnesses who work there.

"And what about the lowly cockroach."

Now, you shouldn't talk about Joepublish like that.

"This small, insignificant bug has survived since the stone-age"

Now you are talking about Ray Franz.

Governing Body Letters said...

What about McDonalds? It is worldwide and came from humble beginnings. Does Jehovah word there? Who is blessing them?

Walmart?
Exxon Oil?
Royal Dutch Shell?
And many many others.....

By your analogy Jehovah's blessing must be on them all!

Anonymous said...

Believing everything written on this blog that pretends to be broadcasting THE TRUTH is tantamount to believing that humans got here by way of evolution. It takes a lot of blind credulity to believe that theory, and the excrement posed here as 'the real truth' requires the same kind of credulity.

I only have to go back to the wording of the 1950's Watchtower magazines to get a chuckle once in a while. We've come a long way since 1953, and a WHOLE long way, with a lot of cleansing and correction, since 1911. Or 1919.

Read the Gospel accounts to see how silly and imperfect some of Jesus' apostles, who WALKED WITH HIM, WERE PERSONALLY TAUGHT BY HIM acted. Read about Peter, who DENIED KNOWING JESUS. He lied! Well, guess we should just throw the whole Christian thing out the window, since some of the early Christians were actually imperfect. Oh, my!

Go back to the beginnings of any church in Christendom to see some real shenanigans, if that's what floats your boat. You will be shocked. The selling of Miracle Wheat will seem like a kindergarten game after reading about the murder and mayhem in the Catholic Church, for instance. Or any other for that matter.

Ronde said...

Yes, McDonalds is blessed.

How else would we take breaks in service.

"Walmart?
Exxon Oil?
Royal Dutch Shell?
And many many others....."

Are of the devil. They are the greedy merchants spoken of in Revelation. Google also as they host this blog.

Anonymous said...

OK, a Billion doller corporation...OK! But how do they misuse these funds. Please tell me.

kimmy jo said...

Good job ronde and anonymouse, you are begining to understand that your religous organization is not unlike all the other worldly corporations, except that it uses volunteer workers who believe they must do these things for GOD so he will let them live in a parisise on earth.

ronde it is calling the kettle black when you talk like this and yet accuse me of name calling...
you said,
""And what about the lowly cockroach."
Now, you shouldn't talk about Joepublish like that."

In defense of joepublish, I think the guy has his head on straight and his heart in the right place, unlike you.

Governing Body Letters said...

"Believing everything written on this blog that pretends to be broadcasting THE TRUTH is tantamount to believing that humans got here by way of evolution. It takes a lot of blind credulity to believe that theory, and the excrement posed here as 'the real truth' requires the same kind of credulity."
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I am not asking that you or anybody believe what I say. After all I am not spirit directed like the Governing Body. You seem to be one of those who believe wholeheartedly in whatever the Watchtower tells you. Am I correct? Do your own research and determine for yourself who is correct.

Governing Body Letters said...

"Go back to the beginnings of any church in Christendom to see some real shenanigans, if that's what floats your boat. You will be shocked. The selling of Miracle Wheat will seem like a kindergarten game after reading about the murder and mayhem in the Catholic Church, for instance. Or any other for that matter."
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Or what about the Bible itself. The Hebrew scriptures are full of murder and mayhem on a grand scale.
However, what proof do you have that Jehovah is working with the Watchtower? Oh, yes, they say so!

Ronde said...

GBLetters said:

"I am not asking that you or anybody believe what I say. After all I am not spirit directed like the Governing Body."

How exactly is the GB spirit directed?

Do you realize that it means that they follow the Bible as that is inspired?

Do you realize that you give them and the phrase "spirit directed" too much credit?

" You seem to be one of those who believe wholeheartedly in whatever the Watchtower tells you. Am I correct? Do your own research and determine for yourself who is correct."

No, you are not correct. I don't read the Watchtower. I have stated that many times. I do plenty of research. I don't focus on the Watchtower. I focus on the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses as taught by JWs through meetings and assemblies. Why don't you try that?

Ronde said...

"However, what proof do you have that Jehovah is working with the Watchtower? Oh, yes, they say so!"

I don't need proof that Jehovah is working with the Watchtower.

Today I am listening to the Lincoln NE district convention. That is not produced by the Watchtower. The program says arranged by the governing body of JWs. I listen to the talk and the scriptures and find that it is agreeable material. So what of it?

Governing Body Letters said...

Read the Gospel accounts to see how silly and imperfect some of Jesus' apostles, who WALKED WITH HIM, WERE PERSONALLY TAUGHT BY HIM acted. Read about Peter, who DENIED KNOWING JESUS. He lied! Well, guess we should just throw the whole Christian thing out the window, since some of the early Christians were actually imperfect. Oh, my!
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What do the apostles have to do with the Governing Body today? The apostles were imperfect men just like we are. Christ used them to promote the advancement of christianity. Yes, they were a motley crew but in the end they accepted christ as their lord and savior. They served their purpose.
Remember that christians were left with holy spirit and that was to be their teacher. Christians were not left with an organization of white, midwestern men running a publishing corporation. They were left with Holy Spirit!
The founder of your religion, Charles Russell, while he was certainly a odd duck, completed rejected the idea of an organization.

What about the other Governing Bodies in the world? Many other religions have "governing bodies" composed of older men. For example the Jesusits have a governing body. The Mormons have "apostles and older men" leading their church also. These all claim to be the one true church organizations. many religious organizations are ruled by groups of older men. many of these cliam to represent Jehovah.

Why doesn't the Bible use the term "governing body" ? The word governing is used in Matthew 2:6 KJV why is this word not used in Acts 15?

Where does the bible say that the "governing body" would someday be located in Brooklyn New York?

Where did the governing body move to after Jerusalem fell in AD 70?

Where was the governing body from the time of the apostles until the watchtower first mentioned it in 1944 Watchtower (12-15-1971 p. 755-757).

Why did the Watchtower not mention the Term "governing body" until 1944. How can the Watchtower legitimately claim that a governing body existed before this time?

Ronde said...

GBLetters:

What does the governing body have to do with miracle wheat?

"Charles Russell, while he was certainly a odd duck, completed rejected the idea of an organization."

So what of it?

He didn't need one. What he did was travel and plant seeds. There was not enough worldwide. But he did have an organization. He was called Pastor Russell. Pastor of his congregation, I presume. If he had a congregation, that means that he had an organization.

"Why doesn't the Bible use the term "governing body""
It does not have to. We do it and it is fine.

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Where does the bible say that the "governing body" would someday be located in Brooklyn New York? "

That is a very moronic question.

Governing Body Letters said...

"Where does the bible say that the "governing body" would someday be located in Brooklyn New York? "
That is a very moronic question.

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Well, ronde, if you say it is then it is. Because if anyone knows what a moronic question is, you do.
I apologize for the question and will try not to present moronic questions in the future.

Ronde said...

GBLetters:

Did you ever see the movie "Heaven's Fall" about the Scotsboro boys trial in 1933? The defense attorney was Jewish and from New York.

The prosecutor in his closing comments said:

'Now the question in this case is this: "Is justice going to be bought and sold in Alabama with Jew money from New York?" '


That is what I think of when I read things on this blog and the comments. That prosecutor's statement had nothing to do with the question of guilty or innocence. Nothing on this blog or your comments have nothing to do with the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses.

You all are afraid of anything that is proJW because you are afraid of the truth.

MickyLove76 said...

There's no point arguing with ANYONE who thinks that a collection of bronze age myths ripped off from the Egyptians and Assyrians... and iron age documents, selected and rewritten by bishops in Rome, is actually the word of an invisible person in the sky.
Someone who relays on an organisation to instruct them on every aspect of their life, right down to what a married couple can and can't do in bed.
Someone who willfully swallows any revisionist 'new light' the organization decides to 'reveal' when their sums add up. Remember that at some point Pastor Russell used measurements of the pyramid at Giza to predict the coming of the messiah . All of the predictions never came true until the 'new light' revealed that it had already happened invisibly.
Someone with no real critical reasoning skills. Someone who thinks that collecting donations for the magamagzines they buy from the organization, and recruiting more magazine salesmen, is actually Gods work.
Most importantly someone who would let someone they love die from not having a blood transfusion based on that organizations own interpretation of the aforementioned book of stories written by men.

Fecking pointless.

And anyway all you good and faithfull JWs, what are you doing on this apostate website, in communication with apostates that you are supposed to shun and avoid like the plague?