Thursday, August 14, 2008

A Change In Pioneer Hours

The Body of Elders letter from the Governing Body will be going out at the end of the month.
Regular Pioneer will now only have to put in 50 hours a month.
Auxillary Pioneers will now only have to put in 35 hours a month.

So will they will still call it full time service? Stay tuned.

58 comments:

Anonymous said...

everything is cut down. why?

Nathan said...

again more or less copy and paste from www.jehovahs-witness.com

Aramis said...

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steve said...

Wow, that's half of what it used to be. Jehovahs standards are changing!

I remember the guilt trips we used to be sent on when CO's used to come and say, 'Whats your excuse for not pioneering? Can you give Jehovah a valid reason if you are single why you cant do 100 hours in service each month?'

As a teenager, I felt they were telling me I was going to die at Armageddon if I didnt pioneer. Looking back now, I think that was cruel.

So what's different now? The regular pioneers will not even be doing as much as Auxiliaries used to.

The JWs must be made of a lot more fragile stuff now. Wimps!35 hours!

Of course, now there will be an influx of new regular pioneers to boost statistics. They will be able to point to the increase in pioneers as evidence that we are on the last few inches of the last few feet of the corner that Armageddon was 'just around' despite the fact that the new regular pioneers wont, in fact even be putting in the original auxiliary hours!

And, they will still be classed as a special breed, with fast tracking to Bethel and other privileges, because you are a whole lot more spiritual if you can endure knocking on not at homes for more hours than the publishers! (And not many more hours now)

JoePublish said...

They are vitually changing this religion - very interesting.

greg said...

Blimey. Less hours in the ministry, less time at the meetings, less wt & aw mags to read, more parts of blood allowed, more paedophiles. What is going on?

Apollo said...

They are being SELF DESTROYED!

www.i-am-an-apostate.blogspot.com

kimmy jo said...

I'm sure that the chatter among the JW's is all about how Jehovah is preparing them for the "end", how exclussivly special they must be feeling!!! Taken care of for sure!

JoePublish said...

This is a shame... now the individual pioneer is going to have less time exposing other religion's problems with pedophilia.

The WTS has included in their publications references to news articles about “other” religion’s pedophile problems. (i.e. Watching the World - Shielding Pedophile Priests? “Some dioceses still shield priests accused of pedophilia,” ran a recent headline in the U.S. newspaper National Catholic Reporter. The newspaper interviewed Jeffrey Anderson, a lawyer who specializes in cases of sexual abuse. He estimates that since 1985, when priestly pedophilia came under increased public scrutiny, there have been over a thousand cases in which priests molested children. Anderson had some harsh words for the church’s response to the ongoing crisis: “It is a continuing saga of avoiding responsibility,” he charges, decrying the church’s focus on protecting the accused clerics. “As a general rule, the institutional response of the church has been willfully inadequate both in tending to victims and dealing with risks.”)
My question is why hasn’t the Awake made reference to the hundreds of news articles that have been done on the pedophilia problem discovered in the organization known as Jehovah’s Witnesses? (see www.silentlambs.org) Is it any wonder that JW’s themselves are not aware of this? Proper and professional journalism dictates that you report the news of any organization, even if it’s your own.

steve said...

Remember how in the WT literature the Babylonians were labeled as dishonest and liars because they only recorded their victories and accomplishments while the Jews recorded everything, warts and all.

I wonder who the JWs most resemble, Babylonians or Jews?

Los Testigos Cristianos de Jehová said...

No my friend. We can call that a JOKE! that is what this cult is.. a Joke!

JoePublish said...

Excellent comment Steve. I don't know if you've seen WTComments on Youtube, but this guy has the Witness leaders pegged. If you haven't seen his videos, you are in for a treat. They are very well done and thought-out... the logic is simply indisputable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztQBKmIFqcc

steve said...

Thanks Joe. Im enjoying your comments too. I have seen WT comments on You Tube and agree with you about the logic.

Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

I only wish you well ! Physically. But you really are wasting your time.

1 Tim 1:13.......Use Common Sense,,,Ha

You'll be surprise !!!!!!!


Hahahahahahahhahaha

Ronde said...

Nothing has changed.

Publishers can still get 90 hours if they want to.

This is not cutting down of anything, but allowing more to pioneer so that overall more preaching will be done.
The work is speeding up.

As I have said all along, there have been no changes.

People put in the time they want to.

Your problem is that you do not want to serve Jehovah.

Ronde said...

greg"Blimey. Less hours in the ministry, less time at the meetings, less wt & aw mags to read, more parts of blood allowed, more paedophiles. What is going on?"


Where does this idea of less hours in the ministry come from? Not anyone.

It is merely a lower requirement for pioneers. But they can still get 90 if they want.

And it is not less time at the meetings. And not less magazines.

And no more blood is allowed than before. Actually the word "allowed" is wrong as that would presume it is up to others, which it is not.

And there are no pedeophiles among Jehovah's WItnesses. There have been people who have done bad things, but that does not make them pedophiles.

passwordprotected said...

This will be viewed as the work speeding up. Less hours? Great! That means more JWs can pioneer!

**WT 2009/01/15**
"Can you justify to Jehovah why you don't pioneer? Afterall, with the hour requirement reduced, surely all can prayerfully examine their circumstances before deciding to engage in the full-time service.

As we move ever closer to the great day of Jehovah, may all of us never be satisfied with our current best, but rather allow our consciences to be touched, and in so doing realise that our best is never good enough in our service to the "faithful and discreet slave". Remember, you can always do more. Your everlasting salvation depends on it."

greg said...

re ronde, yes pioneers can still do 90hrs a month if they want but how many do? If the hour requirement was still 90 the number of pioneers would have steadily gone down over the years and that would not look good so hour requirement is now almost half. Also, reduction in public talk & bk study = less time at meetings, why deny fact?

suavewiz said...

Wow ! Is that ture ? It is staggering news for me if it's ture.

I think there are so many adjustment & change made by GB recentlly. may this phenomenon caused by power of new generation of GB such as Losch ??

We will see future development of JW with much interst....

kimmy jo said...

ronde, you said,

"And there are no pedophiles among Jehovah's Witnesses. There have been people who have done bad things, but that does not make them pedophiles."

I hate to say it but YOU are uninformed. Do you know what a pedophile is? It is a horrific crime that is allowed to continue within the congregation without warning to it's congregants. Furthermore, if a child comes forward and tells of this sexual abuse he is asked if there was anyone who actually saw this happen to them, if the answer is no, well, then there is no case. They may or may not question the offender, but rather than turn the evidence the victim and the offender over to the law, they choose to "wait on Jehovah". So the offender continues to sexually abuse children right under the nose of the congregation. The victims languish in their traumatized state while "waiting on Jehovah".. Of course you also don't know about all the cases settled out of court in which the watchtower has paid off with your contributions!!. There are many more cases on the books. This entire mess will come to light in due time for all the world to see.
Your empire will fall.

Nathan said...

I really ask myself if joepublish was a victim of child abuse, since this seems to be the only topic he is talking about (although stll haaving nothing of substance to say).

Well Ronde I am pretty sure that there have been cases of child abuse among JWs. Not because JWs would be a bad religion or would consist only of wicked people, but just because JWs have too many members. From a statistical point of view, the probability that bad things happen among a population of 7 million people is approximately 1, meaning 100 percent.

This is not inherent of the religion or of a company that would have so many employees; it is just a hard statistical fact. Unfortunately people like joepublish fail (or refuse) to understand that.

Of course child abuse is nothing that is “allowed” or tolerated among JWs! The problem is that not all members are really good Christians. That does not mean that they have been wicked right from their baptism or before. Most of them cultivated their bad habits while they were nominal JWs. It is the same thing that happened to an angel we know as Satan today. He also has not been bad from the beginning of his existence, but he turned away from God somewhere on the way. And no imperfect human (remember that Satan was perfect!) is immune against that. This is why Christians are commanded to keep on the watch.

Another thing that all those accusers forget about is, that it does not make any sense to inform people about every single crime that could be committed among them. The list of possible crimes is almost indefinite long, so this would make absolutely no sense.

As I already told joepublish (which he failed or refused to understand), there is no company memo at Microsoft that tells the employees that there may be paedophiles among them or murderers or thieves. I don’t know exactly how many people work at Microsoft but I am sure that the population is large enough that the probability is nearly 1. But this is not inherent of the company, in the same way as it is not inherent for the religion of JWs.

Regarding the point of informing the police. Well this is a question of personal judgement. For example if there is the suspicion that a child was abused by someone other than the parents it is of course up to the parents what they decide to do. Normally they will already notify the police if there is only a little chance that the suspicion is true. This is their right and in most cases a good decision.

The other possibility is that a child is abused by its own parents. Well in this case I doubt that a 4 or 5 year old will go to the elders and tell them. So in such a case the congregation will not get to know about it. If a child is older, maybe twelve or thirteen, it will use other possibilities. The strong ones will turn to the police themselves the not so strong ones maybe to other relatives or friends of a similar age. Then those friends decide what they do. Again in such cases the elders will be the last ones who get to know that.

But no matter what the case really is like, it would be absolutely right to inform the police if there is the possibility that the claims are right. If a person does so, nothing will happen to him.

JoePublish said...

Show Fellow Feeling
4 If you want to have more love for your Christian brothers and sisters, you may first need to feel for them, to empathize with them in the trials and challenges they face in life. The apostle Peter suggested as much when he wrote: “All of you be like-minded, showing fellow feeling, having brotherly affection, tenderly compassionate, humble in mind.” (1 Peter 3:8) The Greek word used here for showing “fellow feeling” denotes “suffering with.” One authority on Biblical Greek says of this word: “It describes that state of mind which exists when we enter into the feelings of others as if they were our own.” Hence, empathy is needed. A faithful, elderly servant of Jehovah once said: “Empathy is your pain in my heart.” - w97 8/1
Now watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlRHaO0y4ro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLAC9kS_EqM&feature=related

JoePublish said...

Thanks for your commments Kimmy Jo. You know, when I first got wind of this (the Dateline program in 2002) I said to my wife. Boy, the soceity is going to sue the pants off of NBC's Dateline - what an exaggerated story. Well, after that last report in November 2007 by NBC, I see it's the society getting it's pants sued off. So, I stopped and got myself educated on the matter - I really didn't understand the specifics (i.e. www.silentlambs.org). What I discovered was horrific! If you read the many documents on this site, you too will have your mind and eyes opened. Denial, defensive postures and spin don't work in the face of the reality. What disturbs me the most is that I had to hear about this problem from "worldly" sources. Like I said, pointing the finger at other religions gave everyone the opinion that this problem if it did exist was extremely rare amongst JW's. Now I find out that it was the opposite - many pedophiles who repeated their crime for decades - and no one told the members to be on guard against their own. We were lead to believe that anyone committing such a crime was ousted from the congregations. Problem is the devil lies in the details and the pedophiles found a loophole in the Society's policies. You cannot read www.silentlambs.org and not walk away very disturbed and deeply hurt. It's called having "fellow feeling".

JoePublish said...

Kimmy Jo. There's a very interesting point in your reply to Ronde's outlandish comment. It proves this point: The WTS has not done enough to warn it's members. They have always given the impression that the problem lies outside the congregation. I cannot tell you how many people I have talked to who had NO IDEA that pedophiles existed in Jehovah's "clean" organization. This doesn't mean every JW is a pedophile. It simply means that they do exist in this organization and JW's dropped the ball by not notifying the members, even when they existed in the same hall that they went to. And, yes, they knew of this problem. The court records proved this without a shadow of a doubt. It came out that they kept a pedophile d/b. Why would you need a d/b if it was a "rare" occurence? - if it was that "rare" you would only need a post-up, not a d/b.

Ronde said...

password said:
"This will be viewed as the work speeding up. Less hours? Great! That means more JWs can pioneer!"

Pioneering is not about the hours. It is about seeking out new life, and bible studies, going into territory that no one has gone before.

That is why I am serving where the need is greater, i.e. the internet.


**WT 2009/01/15**
"Can you justify to Jehovah why you don't pioneer?"

One does not have to fill out an application to be in full time service.

Ronde said...

greg said:
"re ronde, yes pioneers can still do 90hrs a month if they want but how many do?"

Those that have 90 hours to give.

But since there is no pioneer discount and if they have gone to pioneer school, there is no reason to pioneer, why not be a 90 hour publisher?


" If the hour requirement was still 90 the number of pioneers would have steadily gone down over the years and that would not look good"

It is not about looking good, but getting people to feel good.


" Also, reduction in public talk & bk study = less time at meetings, why deny fact?"

Not true. People can still speed the same time at meetings and association. Meeting are not just what is between the prayers.

Ronde said...

Kimmy Jo mistated again:
"I hate to say it but YOU are uninformed."

No, you are.

"Do you know what a pedophile is? "

Heck yes.

It means 'sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object'

Thus I state that there are no pedophiles because the situation are such that the children are not the preferred sexual object, they were just the ones available and easier to get. But given a choice, if all other things were equal, the person would choose an adult.


"It is a horrific crime that is allowed to continue within the congregation without warning to it's congregants. "

You are a horrible crime.
It has nothing to do with warning anyone. Parents should take care regardless of warnings.

"Furthermore, if a child comes forward and tells of this sexual abuse he is asked if there was anyone who actually saw this happen to them, if the answer is no, well, then there is no case. "

What else are they to do?

There are always two witnesses, the accused and the accuser. If their stories are not straight, who is to be believed?

But that is not the fault of this religion.


"They may or may not question the offender, but rather than turn the evidence the victim and the offender over to the law, they choose to "wait on Jehovah"."

It is not the responsiblity of the elders to do anything. They were not witnesses.

" So the offender continues to sexually abuse children right under the nose of the congregation. "

Wrong. The victim can do something about it themselves.


"The victims languish in their traumatized state while "waiting on Jehovah".."

Who languishes? If a crime was committed, go to the police, but first get some real evidence. And how is waiting of Jehovah, languishing?


" Of course you also don't know about all the cases settled out of court in which the watchtower has paid off with your contributions!!. "

Not my contributions.

Ronde said...

Nathan "Well Ronde I am pretty sure that there have been cases of child abuse among JWs."

Cases of child abuse does not make the perpetrator a pedophile. It just means the person abused that child, but does not mean that he prefers children.

Ronde said...

JoePublish said
"The WTS has not done enough to warn it's members. "

The WTS has only 500 members and there is nothing to warn and it is not their place to warn.

Ronde said...

Joe Publish said;

"I cannot tell you how many people I have talked to who had NO IDEA that pedophiles existed in Jehovah's "clean" organization."

There are no pedophiles in the organization. There are some people who did bad things but that does not make them pedophilies.

There are Witnesses who killed people but that does not mean that murderers exist in the congregation.

Yes, the congregation is clean because the standards are clean, not because all people are clean.

kimmy jo said...

"Thus I state that there are no pedophiles because the situation are such that the children are not the preferred sexual object, they were just the ones available and easier to get. But given a choice, if all other things were equal, the person would choose an adult."


"There are always two witnesses, the accused and the accuser. If their stories are not straight, who is to be believed?"

"The victim can do something about it themselves."


I said:
"The victims languish in their traumatized state while "waiting on Jehovah".."
You said:
"Who languishes? If a crime was committed, go to the police, but first get some real evidence. And how is waiting of Jehovah, languishing?"

ALL THESE STATEMENTS FROM YOU RONDE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT CLEARLY SHOW A LACK OF EXPIERENCE AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT.

JoePublish said...

Keep Safe as Part of God’s Organization

“The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.”—PROVERBS 18:10. … A statement in the December 1, 1922, issue of The Watchtower suggested...: “We are now in the evil day. The fight is on between Satan’s organization and God’s organization. It is a desperate fight.” In this conflict, God’s organization is a place of spiritual safety…What, though, is the protection that God’s organization supplies today?... they are conscious that “the angel of Jehovah is camping all around those fearing him, and he rescues them.”—Psalm 34:7.

11 In addition, God’s visible organization is a community of faith, an association of fellow believers who build up and encourage one another. (Proverbs 13:20; Romans 1:12) It is a place where Christian shepherds care for the sheep, encourage the sick and depressed, and seek to restore those who have fallen. (Isaiah 32:1, 2; 1 Peter 5:2-4) “The faithful and discreet slave” provides “food at the proper time” through the organization. (Matthew 24:45) That “slave,” made up of anointed Christians, provides the very best of spiritually good things—accurate, Bible-based knowledge that can lead to everlasting life. (John 17:3) Thanks to guidance from the “slave,” Christians are helped to maintain high moral standards and to be “cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves” in the dangerous environment that surrounds them." – w98 9/1

Did you catch that: "In the dangerous ennviroment that surroungs them." They are not speaking about the congregation. Now, I know that each article cannot address all the dangers inside the congregation, it's just that the emphasis has always been on being protected in the congregation while you maintain vigilance about the dangerous enviroment that "surronds" the congregation. These points are never presented in a balanced manner.

Astonishingly (but consistent with the above protrayal of JW's congregations being safe havens), members weren't put on alert about the pedophilia problem that was going on in some congregations and when the pedophile moved on to another congregation (when there was not two eye-witnesses that came forward), they brought their criminal/perverted activities to that new congregation (without the rank and file knowing of the possible danger). The court cases brought all of this out, including one elder who was appointed by holy spirit, although a "known" and even worse "admitted" child molester.

When you read up on this, you'll come to find out that pedophiles ALWAYS repeat their crime, IF given the opportunity - this is a known fact in the criminal and mental health literature. Children are so innocent and they need the protective biases to sway in their favor. More (rather than less) should have been done to protect/inform the members. No one with a pure and right motive would deny that.

If you really do not believe this and want to find out if it's true, check out:

www.silentlambs.org - and -

http://www.watchtower.cc/Secrets_of_Pedophilia_-_Jehovah's_Witnesses_in_Crisis.pdf

Ronde said...

Kimmy Jo

"ALL THESE STATEMENTS FROM YOU RONDE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT CLEARLY SHOW A LACK OF EXPIERENCE AND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT."

The ones who have such experience and knowledge deal with it incorrectly if they call themselves victims and just languish.

Ronde said...

Joepublish

"When you read up on this, you'll come to find out that pedophiles ALWAYS repeat their crime, IF given the opportunity -"

All criminals repeat their crims if given the opportunity.

Duh.

"Children are so innocent and they need the protective biases to sway in their favor."

So innocent? So when do they become not innocent?

The only reason that people bring up this subject is that it is something that they can use against JWs. They don't bring it up because it has validity or is real or they care. They just want to attack jws.

JoePublish said...

"Dear Brothers,

I am writing to resign as an elder and Presiding Overseer effective the date of this letter. I bear no ill will or malice toward anyone in the congregation or the Body of Elders. In my twenty-plus years of special service I have enjoyed many privileges, of which there have been many fond memories. So, it is with sadness I must make the following statement: I simply cannot agree with an organizational policy that as an elder I am required to enforce. This policy, in my opinion, has harmed thousands, is leaving many unprotected, and provides refuge to outright criminals.

I am referring to Watchtower policy to keep information about pedophiles confidential. Pedophiles are protected by a code of silence and in many cases remain, Ministerial Servants, Elders, Pioneers, Circuit, District Overseers, members of the Bethel Family, etc., while their victims suffer in silence or face sanctions. This policy is unethical and immoral in my opinion."

You can read the rest on: http://www.silentlambs.org/education/wtresignation.cfm

Nothing hateful about this or anti-JW. Just an elder whose conscience was bothered when he tried many times to talk to the GB about trying to improve the pedophile policy in this organization but he was rejected. The result? More innocent victims. (It's with disbelief that some would try to insist that these young ones molested by pedophiles are not so innocent.)

btw: I see some don't undertand the definition of pedophiles, so here's a quick summary:

Definition

Pedophilia is a paraphilia that involves an abnormal interest in children. A paraphilia is a disorder that is characterized by recurrent intense sexual urges and sexually arousing fantasies generally involving: nonhuman objects; the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner (not merely simulated); or animals, children, or other nonconsenting persons. Pedophilia is also a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or actual act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification. It may be directed toward children of the same sex or children of the other sex. Some pedophiles are attracted to both boys and girls. Some are attracted only to children, while others are attracted to adults as well as to children.

Pedophilia is defined by mental health professionals as a mental disorder, but the American legal system defines acting on a pedophilic urge as a criminal act.

Description

The focus of pedophilia is sexual activity with a child. Many courts interpret this reference to age to mean children under the age of 18.

Most mental health professionals, however, confine the definition of pedophilia to sexual activity with prepubescent children, who are generally age 13 or younger. The term ephebophilia, derived from the Greek word for "youth," is sometimes used to describe sexual interest in young people in the first stages of puberty.

The sexual behaviors involved in pedophilia cover a range of activities and may or may not involve the use of force. Some pedophiles limit their behaviors to exposing themselves or masturbating in front of the child, or fondling or undressing the child, but without genital contact. Others, however, compel the child to participate in oral sex or full genital intercourse.

The most common overt aspect of pedophilia is an intense interest in children. There is no typical pedophile. Pedophiles may be young or old, male or female, although the great majority are males. Unfortunately, some pedophiles are professionals who are entrusted with educating or maintaining the health and well-being of young persons, while others are entrusted with children to whom they are related by blood or marriage.

Ronde said...

Joe, what does any of that have to do with a change in pioneer hours?

And "Definition
Pedophilia is a paraphilia that involves an abnormal interest in children."

As I said, there are no pedophiles in the congregation as we do not fit that definition.

Anonymous said...

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20070125.html

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=35566

http://www.virushead.net/vhrandom/2007/05/10/jw-sex-abuse-cases-settled-with-gag-order/

Anonymous said...

A word of advice

Ignore Ronde. He is a troll.

Nathan said...

Ronde said: “Joe, what does any of that have to do with a change in pioneer hours?”

Well this one is absolutely right! Joe always starts the pedophilia issue in every thread, no matter what the topic is about.

Ronde I think you can’t tell if there are no real pedophiles among JWs. At least abusing a child is a strong indicator for it, is it not? I don’t believe that such people would prefer adults. And if so the crime would be even worse in my opinion (abusing a child just because no adult can be found).

But again, the information issue is simply not true. My comparison to Microsoft is still valid. Moreover, parents, relatives, friends etc. have the absolute right to inform the police about a possible child abuse. But if they decide not to do so, how can an elder who does not know about it inform the police. And how can he call a member of the congregation a pedophile, if not even friends and relatives of the “victim” go to the police?

Well joe, try to learn what sort of arguments are valid. You quote one single letter from an elder who resigned because he FELT that there was a problem. First of all, one letter does not proof anything. Secondly, nobody can verify if this letter was written by an elder. Thirdly, it just represents the opinion of the author. Fourthly, I can give you statements of ten elders who say that the policy in accurate. So where is your point, when quoting the letter?

Of course, you will tell me that you don’t believe me when I give you the statements of ten elders. At least you will tell me that they don’t know what they are talking about. But you have absolutely no foundation to do so! Why believe in the letter you quoted? Where is the difference? And why do you try to impose yourself as the only instance of complete knowledge about pedophilia?

Dating Doofus said...

they're desperate to get those stats up again.

10 years from now, hand jobs will be okay for singles to keep them 'active'.

passwordprotected said...

@ ronde;

not that's correct you don't have to fill out a pioneer form to be a pioneer. But to be knownas a pioneer, and thus get the chance to be interviewed at conventions for your self-sacrificing spirit or attend Pioneer School, you doneed to fill out a form.

And if JWs, the WTS and the Governing Body (aka FDS) were truly concerned about reaching millions of people with their unique Gospel, then wouldn't knocking doors when there's a likelihood of finding someone at home be beneficial? Or how about firing up the old radio stations again? Didn't they reach millions of ears? What about a TV channel? Or using the 'net to warn people about the devastating impending day of Jehovah?

Reducing the hour requirement to get more pioneers on board doesn't mean more people are going to be reached with the 'good news'. It just means there's more scope to put pressure on people to pioneer, to have that title, for it to be said publicly and boastfully, " x number of JWs are engaged in the full-time ministry!"

Also, let's face it, the GB can't see past the USA's shores. So with the recession biting into the financial well-being of American's, it must surely be harder for the American pioneers to remain in their position. Falling pioneer numbers due to economic pressures doesn't look good on the old annual report...

Wake up.

kimmy jo said...

ronde is a good example of the type of people you will find in the congregation of Jehovah Witnesses.

Ronde said...

Nathan you are so correct.

They focus on the wrong thing, and Joe publish still has nothing of substance.

Ronde said...

password protect:
"not that's correct you don't have to fill out a pioneer form to be a pioneer. But to be knownas a pioneer, and thus get the chance to be interviewed at conventions for your self-sacrificing spirit or attend Pioneer School, you doneed to fill out a form."

So what of it? A person is doing Jehovah's will.

"And if JWs, the WTS and the Governing Body (aka FDS) were truly concerned about reaching millions of people with their unique Gospel, then wouldn't knocking doors when there's a likelihood of finding someone at home be beneficial?"

We try. We go at all times.

" Or how about firing up the old radio stations again? Didn't they reach millions of ears? What about a TV channel? Or using the 'net to warn people about the devastating impending day of Jehovah?"

We use the net, TV is too expensive.

"Reducing the hour requirement to get more pioneers on board doesn't mean more people are going to be reached with the 'good news'. It just means there's more scope to put pressure on people to pioneer, to have that title, for it to be said publicly and boastfully, " x number of JWs are engaged in the full-time ministry!"

Well, are you pioneering or going to pioneer? If not, then it is not your business is it?


"Falling pioneer numbers due to economic pressures doesn't look good on the old annual report..."

Pioneers have been increasing.
But then you don't do your homework.

enigmatic said...

Dating Doofus said...
they're desperate to get those stats up again.

10 years from now, hand jobs will be okay for singles to keep them 'active'.
----------------

That is funny. Actually, you could be right. Seriously, someone should start a 'conscience matter' pool.

passwordprotected said...

@ ronde -

They don't use TV as it's too expensive? Didn't Jesus tell the rich ruler to sell all of his possessions, give them to the poor and then follow him? Didn't the 1st C congregation, which the WTS claims they most resemble, sell property and possessions to support the spread of the good news?

So, if we can agree that TV is a fantastically effective way to reach people, while expensive, why don't the WTS sell off few of their massive property holdings to raise the needed cash?

James said...

GBL, are you sure about this change in pioneer hours or is it just rumors? Why hasnt anything else been said since September is practically here.

Anonymous said...

The announcement will be in the Service meeting this week Sept. 1 2008.

Ronde said...

Yeah, after people are no longer able to start in September to make next year's pioneer school. That's mean.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I would like to know if this is confirmed. GBL you said it like if it was a fact. Can you be a little more specific about your sources ?

Anonymous said...

I think this 100% rumor and proof that GBL justs surfs other forums and reposts the same crap as everybody else. No real 'insider' information.

Just another apostate with nothing better to do with his life than try to place doubt in others minds.

Makes him feel important, and gives him a twisted sense of control and power.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you. GBL posts so many times in this days! Doen't he he have something else to do in his life?

Anonymous said...

Well, we are waiting. Is this a blog for rumors or facts?

Anonymous said...

It still has not been announced at our congregation.

Anonymous said...

But this blog is for rumors and gossip about people and for beating his brothers.

Anonymous said...

not true, nothing will change at least in 2008.

jwcpp said...

My question is why hasn’t the Awake made reference to the hundreds of news articles that have been done on the pedophilia problem discovered in the organization known as Jehovah’s Witnesses? (see www.silentlambs.org)

Perhaps it's because they (unlike a lot of journalists) have more sense than to buy all the hype and nonsense that Silentlambs has been peddling, recently exposed by blogs such as Silentlambs Exposed and sites like this one

hettievanzyl said...

What a wonderfull God JEHOVAH whe have. Iam pioneering for fifteen years The 90 hours and the 70 hours
Iam nearly 70 years old now and if the hours are reduced I thank JEHOVAH because that will mean I can keep on pioneering much longer.
What a provicion.