tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post3066529145441626546..comments2023-12-05T21:35:46.941-08:00Comments on Letters From The Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses: Some People Are Just Sick, Sick, Sick!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-55360723095139804052008-09-30T11:11:00.000-07:002008-09-30T11:11:00.000-07:00I know of plenty of 'sisters' elders wives and oth...I know of plenty of 'sisters' elders wives and others who have gone to the place in Texas to try recover from stress and mental fatigue. There are plenty on antidepressants. Seeing a shrink is sort of tabo, since one is suppose to be finding answers in prayer and study of the Watchtower publications, and don't forget to wait on Jehovah, and pray alot.kimmy johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11299679338323442475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-49734977069662532272008-09-29T07:46:00.000-07:002008-09-29T07:46:00.000-07:00VoR/Ronde/Anon wrote: "Well, since none of the opp...VoR/Ronde/Anon wrote: "Well, since none of the opposers on here actually know what JWs believe and what our lives are like and what is taught to us, you don't know what you are saying."<BR/><BR/>Your ignorance is stunning, and a marvel to behold. <BR/><BR/>The energy you consume jumping to conclusions is staggering. <BR/><BR/>Ask yourself a question: If you left the JWs today, would really not know anything about JWs? You would know everything about JWs. We are no different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-43150642228270324222008-09-28T17:07:00.000-07:002008-09-28T17:07:00.000-07:00I like the anecdoctal evidence. The myriads of eld...<I>I like the anecdoctal evidence. The myriads of elders and their wives that are on anti-depressants and mood-altering drugs.</I><BR/><BR/>Well I suppose you would like it if it supports what you want to believe. But is there any reliable scientific research that depression somehow correlates with religious affiliation? If so, where is it? Let's read it and discuss it. I strongly suspect that there are no such studies and I believe that the reason for that is that Witnesses are no more prone to depression than anyone else.<BR/><BR/><I>I'm not against these drugs. It just seems odd for the 'happiest people on earth'.</I><BR/><BR/>Does it seem odd to you that Jehovah's Witnesses get asthma, backache or chicken pox as well? I see no credible reason why anyone's religious beliefs should prevent any physical or mental ailment. Depression can have biological causes and even when the causes are psychological, it trivializes the problem to assert that it exists because of religious belief (or, of course, that it can be avoided by joining a particular religion).<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>My apostate friend's JW wife once told him: "I honestly don't think ANY non-JW couple is truly happy."<BR/><BR/>You simply cannot argue with mind control like that. You might as well argue with a brick wall. </I><BR/><BR/>That is not mind-control; that is stupidity. If she really did say something like that, then not many Witnesses would agree with her.<BR/><BR/>Come to think of it, <I>Awake!</I> magazine wouldn't agree with her either. As long ago as 1978, it acknowledged:<BR/><BR/><B>"But isn’t it true that there are happy marriages in which neither partner uses the Bible as a guide, and neither may even believe in God?’ That, too, is the case. "</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-70111607477509241832008-09-28T16:26:00.000-07:002008-09-28T16:26:00.000-07:00"My apostate friend's JW wife once told him: "I ho..."My apostate friend's JW wife once told him: "I honestly don't think ANY non-JW couple is truly happy.""<BR/><BR/>Well, since none of the opposers on here actually know what JWs believe and what our lives are like and what is taught to us, you don't know what you are saying.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-30007381228395022912008-09-28T12:48:00.000-07:002008-09-28T12:48:00.000-07:00I like the anecdoctal evidence. The myriads of eld...I like the anecdoctal evidence. The myriads of elders and their wives that are on anti-depressants and mood-altering drugs. <BR/><BR/>I would almost need a legal pad to write their names down. <BR/><BR/>I'm not against these drugs. It just seems odd for the 'happiest people on earth'. <BR/><BR/>My apostate friend's JW wife once told him: "I honestly don't think ANY non-JW couple is truly happy."<BR/><BR/>You simply cannot argue with mind control like that. You might as well argue with a brick wall. <BR/><BR/>The sky is purple, up is down, the slave is a 'remnant'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-37055855959263565452008-09-28T10:41:00.000-07:002008-09-28T10:41:00.000-07:00Studies show that there is a considerable amount o...<I>Studies show that there is a considerable amount of mental illness among Jehovah's Witnesses and more than a few have committed suicide [Google this]believing they could never be good enough for God</I><BR/><BR/>I did Google it and I found no actual studies. All I found were web pages saying that there are studies, and linking to further web pages that say that these studies exist.<BR/><BR/>Curiously, though, I didn't find the studies themselves.<BR/><BR/>What studies are they? Who carried them out? Who commissioned them? What was the methodology? What scientific journals were they published in?<BR/><BR/>When we have that information then we can talk about it. <BR/><BR/>In the meantime, I think it's in pretty bad taste to use the mentally ill and suicidal in a mudslinging effort.<BR/><BR/>But then, if you will use the criminally insane, why not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-10910976025849178592008-09-28T08:11:00.000-07:002008-09-28T08:11:00.000-07:00vor/rond says,"As Groucho had said:"I wouldn't be ...vor/rond says,<BR/>"As Groucho had said:<BR/><BR/>"I wouldn't be in any group that would have me as a member".<BR/><BR/>I can agree with that."<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I ask you vor,<BR/>What exactly are you saying???? This makes NO sense.<BR/>Help us understand you.kimmy johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11299679338323442475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-7967426475517934242008-09-27T21:12:00.000-07:002008-09-27T21:12:00.000-07:00And we all can agree that Ronde is nuts.And we all can agree that Ronde is nuts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-9798769204116843272008-09-27T20:08:00.000-07:002008-09-27T20:08:00.000-07:00"First, there are nuts in any group. Second, who o..."First, there are nuts in any group. Second, who out there actually trusts the biased news media? "<BR/><BR/>As Groucho had said:<BR/><BR/>"I wouldn't be in any group that would have me as a member".<BR/><BR/>I can agree with that.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-16768825547208572282008-09-27T20:04:00.000-07:002008-09-27T20:04:00.000-07:00SILENCEI KEEL YOU!!!!SILENCE<BR/><BR/>I KEEL YOU!!!!Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-86079605887549966782008-09-27T05:10:00.000-07:002008-09-27T05:10:00.000-07:00vor/ronde,anonymous said..."he(LGB) copied it out ...vor/ronde,<BR/>anonymous said..."he(LGB) copied it out of the Daily Mail, which, while not exactly the gutter press, is not noted for its objectivity and reliability."<BR/><BR/>I responded,<BR/>"Let me tell you this...the Watchtower "is not noted for it's objectivity and reliability" either. In fact they are big fat fairy tale tellers and you believe it all."<BR/><BR/>As far as suicide rates go...<BR/>Tell me why you would care to know of a disfellowshiped person committing suicide? They are the fruitage of your organization, the bottom of the barrel the forgotten. You don't want proof, you don't care.<BR/><BR/><BR/>ronde/vor,<BR/>you should pay attention to the story line and stay out of two peoples dialogue. You are such a know it all and yet you know nothing but find bitter dissatisfaction with everything. You argue everything with sarcasm and discontent.kimmy johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11299679338323442475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-486527358795840582008-09-27T04:47:00.000-07:002008-09-27T04:47:00.000-07:00JWs will continue to be the butt of many jokes. As...JWs will continue to be the butt of many jokes. As they are an odd group, they will always be brought up in the news, even if the story is unrelated to their religion. <BR/><BR/>When I was a JW, this annoyed me. Now that I'm trying to get people out of the religion, it probably helps me to have an unfair media. <BR/><BR/>If it were not for the destructive aspects of the religion, they wouldn't get so much negative press.<BR/><BR/>Scientology is getting the same negative press, as many people are realizing how destructive they are. <BR/><BR/>If a Methodist robs a bank, it's not news. If a JW or Scientologist robs a bank - it's news. <BR/><BR/>JWs have set themselves up as 'special', 'different', 'spotless', 'the only true 'religion'. As such, they will get attention in the news, even if they don't want it. <BR/><BR/>Conveniently, the congregation elders can just disfellowship anyone they want. So, when the media contacts the headquarters, they can say: "That person is no longer a JW."<BR/><BR/>True, but they may have very well been a JW when the crime occurred. (I'm not referring to this particular news story.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-91923806608729648022008-09-26T23:36:00.000-07:002008-09-26T23:36:00.000-07:00Funny.I have never sen in the news headlines like ...Funny.<BR/>I have never sen in the news headlines like this:<BR/>"A Baptist robbed a bank........A Catholic shot and killed.......A Methodist went on a drunken spree....etc."<BR/><BR/>First, there are nuts in any group. Second, who out there actually trusts the biased news media?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-90929358848639193142008-09-26T18:49:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:49:00.000-07:00First, I would like to apologize for calling you s...First, I would like to apologize for calling you stupid. I was wrong. <BR/><BR/>As far as "one example" of an error, I can provide countless examples. Indeed, right here, we have done that very thing. You refuse to acknowledge anything.<BR/><BR/>So, FIRST, you must agree to acknowledge an error by your religion, if we point one out. If you are unwilling to concede an error, I'm wasting my time.<BR/><BR/>I will give you one, if you will agree to admit one, when it's shown to you. <BR/><BR/>Will you agree to this? Or, will you continue to JUSTIFY, and MAKE EXCUSES for the indefensible? <BR/><BR/>If you will agree to be intellectually HONEST, we'll be happy to give you plenty examples.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-76613895793176679182008-09-26T18:45:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:45:00.000-07:00Anon said:"VoR wrote: "I have never seen any scrip...Anon said:<BR/>"VoR wrote: "I have never seen any scriptural errors pointed out by these ex members."<BR/>You have indeed seen the errors. You refuse to acknowledge them.<BR/>So, rather than you being ignorant, you're stupid. "<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it at least be more productive to state one such? Just one. But you didn't because you can't. So who is being stupid?<BR/><BR/>Thus proving my point that the opposers have nothing.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-33910738230581650102008-09-26T18:26:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:26:00.000-07:00To the contrary. If WT ceased to exist, we'd all b...To the contrary. If WT ceased to exist, we'd all be a lot better off. They stand between man and Christ, in an unholy fashion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-31156758283001803462008-09-26T18:24:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:24:00.000-07:00Kimmy Jo said:"Let me tell you this...the Watchtow...Kimmy Jo said:<BR/>"Let me tell you this...the Watchtower "is not noted for it's objectivity and reliability" either. In fact they are big fat fairy tale tellers and you believe it all."<BR/><BR/>Why is it that when someone is calling you out, that you have to go blaming the Watchtower?<BR/><BR/>The Watchtower is not the subject of this forum or this topic.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-86021681671853222482008-09-26T18:20:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:20:00.000-07:00Pointing out the lies of Watchtower is not hate. H...Pointing out the lies of Watchtower is not hate. <BR/><BR/>Hate is treating Christ's sheep like worthless pieces of dung. <BR/><BR/>JWs have made an art out of hate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-53428034935636155282008-09-26T18:17:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:17:00.000-07:00"I am more willingly able to let this article pass..."I am more willingly able to let this article pass as "it could hapeen to anyone" don't matter what religion so it's pretty much irrelevant. But at least GBL is not claiming he is like a "profet from God" or that he has "special" insight from a divine source."<BR/><BR/>Bite meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-55372964446406381872008-09-26T18:09:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:09:00.000-07:00Joepublish said:"tohsibor, do you have these on-li...Joepublish said:<BR/>"tohsibor, do you have these on-line and accessible for viewing?"<BR/><BR/>Are you saying that you don't already know those things or have them?<BR/><BR/>Or are you just feeding your hate like Kimmy Jo does?Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-76325104623989026792008-09-26T18:04:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:04:00.000-07:00Ronde,You need to watch the JW videos a little mor...Ronde,<BR/><BR/>You need to watch the JW videos a little more. <BR/><BR/>There is one called, 'The Organization Behind the Name'. <BR/><BR/>I think you've forgotten that you're slaving for a publishing company.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-88557069707356095142008-09-26T18:00:00.000-07:002008-09-26T18:00:00.000-07:00Toshibor said:"I have helped my wife and In-laws l...Toshibor said:<BR/>"I have helped my wife and In-laws leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses."<BR/><BR/>Sounds like you are the destructive one.<BR/><BR/>"I am trying to help my other family members as well; when and (for most of them) if they communicate with me. I have compiled dozens upon dozens (Perhaps hundreds) of pages of information, using the Bible and the Organization behind Jehovah's Witnesses own printed material to prove they are not what they claim."<BR/><BR/>And if they are smart they will not be fooled by your attempts. Because serving Jehovah is not about dozens and hundreds of pages.<BR/><BR/>"Hopefully with time they will see what the Organization behind Jehovah's Witnesses are...At best, no different than any other religious organization; at worst, a destructive cult."<BR/><BR/>Since they are the organization behind Jehovah's Witnesses, they just have to look in the mirror.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-80469925139382941332008-09-26T17:56:00.000-07:002008-09-26T17:56:00.000-07:00VoR wrote: "I have never seen any scriptural error...VoR wrote: "I have never seen any scriptural errors pointed out by these ex members."<BR/><BR/>You have indeed seen the errors. You refuse to acknowledge them. <BR/><BR/>So, rather than you being ignorant, you're stupid. <BR/><BR/>We can only pray that time and life experience will awaken you to the error of your ways. <BR/><BR/>Keep reading things, here. Maybe one day, it will sink in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-86624784786531557942008-09-26T17:51:00.000-07:002008-09-26T17:51:00.000-07:00"Why is it difficult for active JWs to understand ..."Why is it difficult for active JWs to understand why ex-members would be bitter?"<BR/><BR/>Because exCatholics, baptists, Methodist, atheists, who become JWs are not bitter toward their former religion, they are happy that they have the true religion.<BR/><BR/>Exjws are bitter because they lost Jehovah's spirit.<BR/><BR/>"The JW religion teaches its people that "apostates" are bitter and have nothing positive to say."<BR/><BR/>No, your actions prove that.<BR/><BR/>"Unfortunately, this is not the central issue. The central issue is that JWs cannot refute the countless Scriptural errors pointed out by ex-member and even non-members, with a basic understanding of Christianity."<BR/><BR/>I have never seen any scriptural errors pointed out by these ex members.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-47777588733192350812008-09-26T17:23:00.000-07:002008-09-26T17:23:00.000-07:00Kimmy Joe said:"JW's have a high rate of suicide, ...Kimmy Joe said:"JW's have a high rate of suicide, maybe they should check into and report some of that reality for you all to argue."<BR/>Anon replied:<BR/>"I challenge you to prove that by referring to a reliable, scientific study. Otherwise, it can only be construed as malicious slander."<BR/><BR/>Kimmy Jo is so anti-JW that she is biased and jaded to where she can not recognized truth.<BR/><BR/>Even Chocolatepudding recognized this story is a fraud on the religion.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.com