tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post2890001659685733980..comments2023-12-05T21:35:46.941-08:00Comments on Letters From The Governing Body Of Jehovah's Witnesses: Is The Watchtower Magazine Really Important?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-8483558905676625282008-10-31T05:59:00.000-07:002008-10-31T05:59:00.000-07:00Voice of Reason said... Shawn said: "It just...Voice of Reason said...<BR/><BR/> Shawn said:<BR/> "It just means you haven't been causght yet. From the elder's manual Pay Attantion... To the Flock:<BR/> "Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and<BR/> speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught<BR/> by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates ."<BR/><BR/> The congregation's elders know that I defend the faith on the net. They don't care. They just caution, like the Proverbs say, that the one having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.<BR/><BR/><B>Nice try dodging the issue. The quote I gave from the elder's manual had nothing to do with you 'defending your faith' it was specifically addressing this statement you made...<BR/><BR/>"And if one does question the writing dept's interpretation, one would not get disfellowshipped because I do that all of the time and am not disfellowshipped."<BR/><BR/>Calling the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses that are published in the Society's literature in question make that person an apostate.</B><BR/><BR/> " But if you cannot defend your faith, then how can you be sure you are right? The question may not be important to you, but it's important to the person asking."<BR/><BR/> My faith is not in a generation interpretion. My faith is forever.<BR/><BR/><B>Your faith is 'forever' is it? That's called blind faith and only the least intelligent people subscribe to it.<BR/><BR/>(Hebrews 11:1) . . .Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld. <BR/><BR/>*** Rbi8 Hebrews 11:1 ***<BR/><BR/>“Evident demonstration.” Or, “convincing evidence.” Gr., e′leg‧khos; Lat., ar‧gu‧men′tum. Compare Joh 16:8 ftn.<BR/><BR/>(John 16:7-8) . . .. 8 And when that one arrives he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment<BR/><BR/>Since you cannot offer convincing evidence in answer to a simple question regarding the beliefs of the organization you claim to belong to, you can't actually claim to have this faith.</B>Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00437198506245843845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-88198869267501611332008-10-30T15:22:00.000-07:002008-10-30T15:22:00.000-07:00Shawn said:"It just means you haven't been causght...Shawn said:<BR/>"It just means you haven't been causght yet. From the elder's manual Pay Attantion... To the Flock:<BR/>"Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and<BR/>speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught<BR/>by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates ." <BR/><BR/>The congregation's elders know that I defend the faith on the net. They don't care. They just caution, like the Proverbs say, that the one having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.<BR/><BR/>" But if you cannot defend your faith, then how can you be sure you are right? The question may not be important to you, but it's important to the person asking."<BR/><BR/>My faith is not in a generation interpretion. My faith is forever.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-28089282472221765322008-10-30T13:35:00.000-07:002008-10-30T13:35:00.000-07:00Once again Shawn, excellent comments. I can't beli...Once again Shawn, excellent comments. I can't believe VoR said "if we can't answer a question then it isn't important". That's his defence!! Well to me it is very important, 'the generation' has been a major JW teaching for decades. The only reason VoR says it's not important is because he can't answer my question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-11824657128505483822008-10-30T06:49:00.000-07:002008-10-30T06:49:00.000-07:00Voice of Reason said... greg said: "I asked ...Voice of Reason said...<BR/><BR/> greg said:<BR/> "I asked Voice of Reason a question about 'the generation'. I don't think he can answer it so he just ignored it. "<BR/><BR/> No, you mentioned about a 1927 Watchtower and I don't have that and have not read that and as I always say, it is not important to JWs to read the that.<BR/><BR/> "JWs always ignore questions they can't answer. That's why if you question WT interpretation of scripture you're likely to end up disfellowshipped, unless you shut up and stop questioning."<BR/><BR/> No we don't ignore them but if we can't answer them then it is not important. <BR/><BR/><B> But if you cannot defend your faith, then how can you be sure you are right? The question may not be important to you, but it's important to the person asking.<BR/><BR/>So how are the interpretations in 1995 and the previous 'people alive in 1914' interpretations refinements? They are completely different interpretations, now viewed as completely wrong.<BR/><BR/>If you can't explain this core doctrine, then how can you honestly call yourself one of Jehovah's Witnesses?<BR/><BR/>(Acts 10:42) . . .Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness . . .<BR/><BR/>If you can't actually give a thorough witness for this very simple question of doctrine, don't bother telling us how faithful you are to your dedication anymore.<BR/><BR/>This is it. You're either going to answer the question and back it up with scripture, or you are a complete and total fraud.</B><BR/><BR/>And if one does question the writing dept's interpretation, one would not get disfellowshipped because I do that all of the time and am not disfellowshipped.<BR/><BR/><B>It just means you haven't been causght yet. From the elder's manual Pay Attantion... To the Flock:<BR/><BR/>"Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and<BR/>speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught<BR/>by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates ."</B>Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00437198506245843845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-36499414149745284272008-10-30T06:13:00.000-07:002008-10-30T06:13:00.000-07:00greg said:"I asked Voice of Reason a question abou...greg said:<BR/>"I asked Voice of Reason a question about 'the generation'. I don't think he can answer it so he just ignored it. "<BR/><BR/>No, you mentioned about a 1927 Watchtower and I don't have that and have not read that and as I always say, it is not important to JWs to read the that.<BR/><BR/>"JWs always ignore questions they can't answer. That's why if you question WT interpretation of scripture you're likely to end up disfellowshipped, unless you shut up and stop questioning."<BR/><BR/>No we don't ignore them but if we can't answer them then it is not important. And if one does question the writing dept's interpretation, one would not get disfellowshipped because I do that all of the time and am not disfellowshipped.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-91855730934167287142008-10-29T13:14:00.000-07:002008-10-29T13:14:00.000-07:00JWs always ignore questions they can't answer. Tha...JWs always ignore questions they can't answer. That's why if you question WT interpretation of scripture you're likely to end up disfellowshipped, unless you shut up and stop questioning. I asked Voice of Reason a question about 'the generation'. I don't think he can answer it so he just ignored it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-12365558274960939072008-10-26T12:43:00.000-07:002008-10-26T12:43:00.000-07:00ronde wrote: "Moses, Noah, Lot, David, Samuel, Sau...ronde wrote: "Moses, Noah, Lot, David, Samuel, Saul, Solomon, Peter, Paul, Mary, John, James, Jude, etc."<BR/><BR/>Which portions of the Scriptures may we ignore, because of those portions being wrong?<BR/><BR/>You ignored my question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-28236554133065157372008-10-26T07:17:00.000-07:002008-10-26T07:17:00.000-07:00Voice of Reason said... "The difference being, ...Voice of Reason said...<BR/><BR/> "The difference being, the Apostles were directed by God, the Governing Body is not."<BR/><BR/> Oh really?<BR/><BR/> The GB is not directed by God? Because you ask "What percentage of Watchtower statements has been wrong?"<BR/><BR/> What does one statement have to do with the other?<BR/><BR/> Where do you get the idea that being directed by God means that one would not get anything wrong? Or that the GB is responsible for the statements in the Watchtower?<BR/><BR/> The current GB has 2 from the 1970s and one from 1994 and the rest in the 2000s. How can they be responsible for everything in the Watchtower past? They are not even responsible for everything in Watchtower present as only four members of the GB are on the writing committee.<BR/><BR/>=================================<BR/><BR/>It actually doesn't matter how many of the GB are writing since the core of the Watchtower Society's doctrine is based on 'second fulfillment' of prophesies. There is absolutely no scriptural support for second fulfillment of prophesy. The Watchtower Society will never be right about how near or far away (as if they've ever said it wasn't close) the end of this system is because they, in an arrogantly self-centered manner, believe the prophesies in the Bible are really about the last 130 years.<BR/><BR/>Really VoR, Ronde, sheeplike et al - I hope all of you have a long full life and die peacefully of natural causes. I also hope that in those final moments of life you remember me and that I told you so.<BR/><BR/>Now either you're going to be glad I told you so because you quit being a slave to the Watchtower Society and move on to a better life, or you're going to realize that you've wasted the only life you're going to get on this earth pushing dispensationalist publications for a cult.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00437198506245843845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-25626272898429525502008-10-26T06:42:00.000-07:002008-10-26T06:42:00.000-07:00Voice of Reason said... That is because Catholi...Voice of Reason said...<BR/><BR/> That is because Catholics are still doing the same things that they have done for 2000 years. They would still do the inquisition if it were legal or they could make it legal.<BR/><BR/> What the Watchtower Society had done 100 years ago is not relevant to Jehovah's Witnesses because the WTS is not reflective on Jehovah's Witnesses. Only JWS are reflective on JWs.<BR/>==================================<BR/><BR/>Show me where the Catholic faith would like to start another inquisition in our day. You know it isn't true. So now you're making up Catholic doctrine as well as Watchtower Society doctrine.<BR/><BR/>The Watchtower Society is still, to this day, telling people that 'the end' is soon based on the false dispensational teachings of C.T.Russell. The story is the same, only the dates have changed.<BR/><BR/>In 1984, JWs believed that the people who witnessed the events of 1914 would not die before Armageddon occurred. The age of a person who was able to comprehend the events of 1914 was eventually lowered to 10 years old, born in 1904. These people would have to be 104 now.... oops. So, to save themselves from yet another failed prophecy ( they have said that 'the end' would happen in 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1975, before the 1914 generation dies, and the latest implication is 2034 ), the Watchtower society redefined the term "generation" from the literal generation that saw 1914 to something nebulous. The latest date was published in the December 15, 2003 Watchtower on pages 14-19.<BR/><BR/><BR/> Noah preached 120 years until the time of the flood, which was the time of the end to Noah and his generation. The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah's day to our present day. The Society is adding a 120 years to the 1914 date to come up with the hinted date of 2034.<BR/><BR/> Words such as "Similar, Similarly, Similarity, Similarities, Parallel, Corresponds, Characteristic, Compare, Arklike and more are all through the article to back up their subtle and hinted claims.<BR/><BR/> Page 15, Paragraph 6<BR/> "In Noah's day, Jehovah declared: 'My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Just think what that meant for those then living! Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.' - Genesis 6:17"<BR/><BR/> Page 15, Paragraph 7<BR/> "Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.' After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld,' says the apostle Paul, '[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household.' (Hebrews 11:7) What about us? Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. We are certainly in 'the time of the end.' (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? 'He that does the will of God remains forever,' states the Bible. (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah's will with a keen sense of urgency."<BR/><BR/> Page 15, Paragraph 9<BR/> "Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by 'the faithful and discreet slave'".... (end of quote)<BR/><BR/> A footnote in the Feb 15th 2008 Watchtower study article states "Apparently, the period in which "this generation" lives seems to correspond to the period covered by the first vision of the book of Revelation. (Rev. 1:10-3:22) This aspect of the day of the Lord extends from 1914 until when the last of the faithful anointed dies and is resurrected - See Revelation - Its Grand Climax at Hand! page 24, paragraph 4."<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>The Watchtower society used to quote Psalms 90:10<BR/><BR/> "10 In themselves the days of our years are seventy years;<BR/> And if because of special mightiness they are eighty years,<BR/> Yet their insistence is on trouble and hurtful things;<BR/> For it must quickly pass by, and away we fly. " <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>and associate 70 or 80 years with the generation of 1914, but now that that time has come and gone, they need an extension and found it in the parallel of Noah's day.<BR/><BR/>Same old story - same false storyShawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00437198506245843845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-51960443131540478992008-10-26T06:31:00.000-07:002008-10-26T06:31:00.000-07:00Voice of Reason said... "Also regarding the lig...Voice of Reason said...<BR/><BR/> "Also regarding the lighter getting brighter teaching, how does it explain the flip flopping on certain teachings of the organization? Such as the issue of whether the people of Sodom and Gomorrah will be resurrected or not. Does going back and forth indicate that light is getting brighter? "<BR/><BR/> Nothing has changed on that. They are still dead and as to who will be resurrected, that is still up to Jesus.<BR/><BR/> Things do not flip flop. They get refined.<BR/><BR/> First it was believed that only the righteous would be resurrected. Then in the 1960s the understanding was that many more including the unrighteous, such as unfaithful Solomon would be resurrected and the ones who died at Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. Then it the 1980s it was brought to the center in that the righteous and some unrighteous would be resurrected but not the ones whom Jehovah pronounced judgment on.<BR/><BR/> No flip flop, but too far left, too far right, then in the center.<BR/>=================================<BR/><BR/>Way off again VoR. Here's the list of flipflops... with no 'center'...<BR/><BR/>Will the men of Sodom be resurrected?<BR/><BR/>Yes<BR/>Watchtower 7/18/79 p. 8<BR/>No<BR/>Watchtower 6/1/52 p. 338<BR/>Yes<BR/>Watchtower78/1/65 p. 47g<BR/>No<BR/>Watchtower7 6/1/88 p. 31<BR/>Yes<BR/>Live Forever (old ed. ) p. 179<BR/>No<BR/>Live Forever (new ed. ) p. 179<BR/>Yes<BR/>Insight, vol. 2, p. 985<BR/>No<BR/>Revelation. book, p. 273<BR/><BR/>There is no 'center' here, only yes or no.Shawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00437198506245843845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-37849242854763098612008-10-25T21:15:00.000-07:002008-10-25T21:15:00.000-07:00iOMG.......don't you think we can hardly wait to b...i<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>OMG.......don't you think we can hardly wait to be done with being treated so horribly at the door. We are as sick of you as you are of us. Seriously!<BR/><BR/>Soon...it will be over soon...for all of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-52932356175486272762008-10-25T21:11:00.000-07:002008-10-25T21:11:00.000-07:00Yeah...so shut up over her too!You ignorant morons...Yeah...so shut up over her too!<BR/><BR/>You ignorant morons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-64122871503190649262008-10-25T18:28:00.000-07:002008-10-25T18:28:00.000-07:00anon wrote"The Voice of Reason wrote: "Where do yo...anon wrote"<BR/>The Voice of Reason wrote: "Where do you get the idea that being directed by God means that one would not get anything wrong?"<BR/><BR/>'Let's see...the Bible.<BR/>Please give us some mistakes in the Bible.'<BR/>------<BR/>Moses, Noah, Lot, David, Samuel, Saul, Solomon, Peter, Paul, Mary, John, James, Jude, etc.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-72804735597790682712008-10-25T17:31:00.000-07:002008-10-25T17:31:00.000-07:00Ronde wrote: "No flip flop..."Hahahahahahahahahaha...Ronde wrote: "No flip flop..."<BR/><BR/>Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-2661835874703765642008-10-25T17:28:00.000-07:002008-10-25T17:28:00.000-07:00Ronde wrote: "What the Watchtower Society had done...Ronde wrote: "What the Watchtower Society had done 100 years ago is not relevant to Jehovah's Witnesses because the WTS is not reflective on Jehovah's Witnesses. Only JWS are reflective on JWs."<BR/><BR/>This statement by Ronde is the meat of what interested people, Bible studies, and JWs having doubts need to read. <BR/><BR/>JWs have created an alternate reality -- in their minds -- which excuses them from their past sins. <BR/><BR/>Just read the words he wrote. I cannot add any criticism that is more damning than his very words. <BR/><BR/>The next time a JW comes to your door, ask them why they publish such awful things about the Catholic Church. When they mention the PAST sins of the Church, ask them why they forgive the JW religion for their past sins, but not other churches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-49102002918004024812008-10-25T17:25:00.000-07:002008-10-25T17:25:00.000-07:00Ronde wrote: "Where do you get the idea that being...Ronde wrote: "Where do you get the idea that being directed by God means that one would not get anything wrong?"<BR/><BR/>Let's see...the Bible.<BR/><BR/>Please give us some mistakes in the Bible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-76944446659167409862008-10-25T11:58:00.000-07:002008-10-25T11:58:00.000-07:00VoR, so the 1927 understanding was close to being...VoR, so the 1927 understanding was close to being correct, it just needed refining. How is it possible that the '1995' & the previous 'people alive in 1914' interpretations could be called refinements? They are completely different interpretations, now viewed as completely wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-41026519600269345722008-10-25T11:39:00.000-07:002008-10-25T11:39:00.000-07:00"The difference being, the Apostles were directed ..."The difference being, the Apostles were directed by God, the Governing Body is not."<BR/><BR/>Oh really?<BR/><BR/>The GB is not directed by God? Because you ask "What percentage of Watchtower statements has been wrong?"<BR/><BR/>What does one statement have to do with the other?<BR/><BR/>Where do you get the idea that being directed by God means that one would not get anything wrong? Or that the GB is responsible for the statements in the Watchtower?<BR/><BR/>The current GB has 2 from the 1970s and one from 1994 and the rest in the 2000s. How can they be responsible for everything in the Watchtower past? They are not even responsible for everything in Watchtower present as only four members of the GB are on the writing committee.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-69713947458331820562008-10-25T11:26:00.000-07:002008-10-25T11:26:00.000-07:00greg said:"Another example that surely disproves '...greg said:"Another example that surely disproves 'the light gets brighter' theory is 'the generation' teaching. As we know, the current interpretation, put forth as increased light on the matter is actually the same as the interpretation given by the WT in 1927."<BR/><BR/>That is not true.<BR/><BR/>" So if the current understanding is correct, it was right in 1927, the light went out for 80 years, then in february the light went back on. Even so, the change in 1995 was also described as increased light, even though, according to JW's today, that interpretation was completely wrong."<BR/><BR/>What was believed in 1927 was not what we believe today as the understanding of the anointed is different than today.<BR/><BR/>Thus today we have a refined view.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-63863636616232644632008-10-25T11:24:00.000-07:002008-10-25T11:24:00.000-07:00Shawn said:"Wait. The Watchtower Society has no pr...Shawn said:<BR/>"Wait. The Watchtower Society has no problem casting scathing aspersions on the clergy of Christendom for the lies they have told in the past... and by past I'm talking about the 2nd century. If what Chistendom has done in the past 2000 years is relevant, then what the Watchtower Society has done in the past 100 years is relevant."<BR/><BR/>That is because Catholics are still doing the same things that they have done for 2000 years. They would still do the inquisition if it were legal or they could make it legal.<BR/><BR/>What the Watchtower Society had done 100 years ago is not relevant to Jehovah's Witnesses because the WTS is not reflective on Jehovah's Witnesses. Only JWS are reflective on JWs.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-12274832141777590142008-10-25T11:18:00.000-07:002008-10-25T11:18:00.000-07:00"Also regarding the lighter getting brighter teach..."Also regarding the lighter getting brighter teaching, how does it explain the flip flopping on certain teachings of the organization? Such as the issue of whether the people of Sodom and Gomorrah will be resurrected or not. Does going back and forth indicate that light is getting brighter? "<BR/><BR/>Nothing has changed on that. They are still dead and as to who will be resurrected, that is still up to Jesus.<BR/><BR/>Things do not flip flop. They get refined.<BR/><BR/>First it was believed that only the righteous would be resurrected. Then in the 1960s the understanding was that many more including the unrighteous, such as unfaithful Solomon would be resurrected and the ones who died at Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. Then it the 1980s it was brought to the center in that the righteous and some unrighteous would be resurrected but not the ones whom Jehovah pronounced judgment on.<BR/><BR/>No flip flop, but too far left, too far right, then in the center.<BR/><BR/>Take the superior authorities or higher powers.<BR/><BR/>Back in Russell's time, they were too liberal to where they felt that they could give God's things to the governments and they compromised.<BR/><BR/> Then Rutherford in his talks stated that the governments were not representing God so the governments were not the higher powers, it was Jehovah and Jesus. That made it too far to the right, but it kept the Witnesses strong and from compromising during that time and giving God's things to the governments.<BR/><BR/>Then in the mid 1960s it was set just right. The superior authorities do not get what belongs to God but only what they have a right to.<BR/><BR/><BR/>No flip flop, but too far left, too far right, then in the center.Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01115946270655365230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-5215079073311397642008-10-25T10:36:00.000-07:002008-10-25T10:36:00.000-07:00sheeplike, again, I repeat:Rather than suggesting ...sheeplike, again, I repeat:<BR/><BR/>Rather than suggesting that Apostles made mistakes ask "What percentage of the Apostles writings in the Bible are wrong?" Zero percent. "What percentage of Watchtower statements has been wrong?" The difference being, the Apostles were directed by God, the Governing Body is not.<BR/><BR/>Many religions are 'on the watch'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-20095003346942866912008-10-25T09:32:00.000-07:002008-10-25T09:32:00.000-07:00Shawn said "Bible truth may be refreshing, but it ...Shawn said "Bible truth may be refreshing, but it is constant. It doesn't change; it isn't revealed over the years to a group of men in New York".<BR/><BR/>That is true- Bible truth does not change. However, imperfect people misunderstand some things. The Apostles thought that the kingdom would rule the earth in the first century. They were wrong, but were on the watch- as Witnesses are today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-45592456223591819432008-10-25T07:21:00.000-07:002008-10-25T07:21:00.000-07:00shawn says it correctly,"Wait. The Watchtower Soci...shawn says it correctly,<BR/>"Wait. The Watchtower Society has no problem casting scathing aspersions on the clergy of Christendom for the lies they have told in the past... and by past I'm talking about the 2nd century. If what Christendom has done in the past 2000 years is relevant, then what the Watchtower Society has done in the past 100 years is relevant.<BR/>Their own words condemn them..."<BR/><BR/>he continues,<BR/>"Sorry, but there are two HUGE differences between the Watchtower Society and Israel. First of all, when Israel did not 'follow the religion', God punished them - all of them as a group. How is God punishing Jehovah's Witnesses for joining Babylon the Great?"<BR/>.........<BR/><BR/>Great points shawn. Don't you think that the Watchtower IS already part of Babylon the Great, no need to JOIN the UN, since it is their teachings that identify them? It becomes especially apparent when you use 'THEIR OWN WORDS' to against them to evaluate and identify false religion.kimmy johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11299679338323442475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7952450681786201073.post-1989707284145459892008-10-25T06:45:00.000-07:002008-10-25T06:45:00.000-07:00Another example that surely disproves 'the light g...Another example that surely disproves 'the light gets brighter' theory is 'the generation' teaching. As we know, the current interpretation, put forth as increased light on the matter is actually the same as the interpretation given by the WT in 1927. So if the current understanding is correct, it was right in 1927, the light went out for 80 years, then in february the light went back on. Even so, the change in 1995 was also described as increased light, even though, according to JW's today, that interpretation was completely wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com